jonas’ About https://github.com/xsf/xeps/blob/master/tools/extract-metadata.py – I'm confused as to why it converts the XML to text and then back to XML.
nav
That causes loss of info: mixed content, entities, directives (and comments) will not be translated.
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that's intentional to provide a fixed schema for xeplist.xml
jonas’
(and other tools in the directory need plain text)
nav
For email and such?
nav
Take for instance the abstract of XEP-0099 (https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0099.xml)
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is that not handled correctly?
nav
What's also bizarre is that some XML entities are translated and others aren't. Take for instance <remark/> on XEP-0234 (correctly translates an em dash, versus XEP-0106 (missing dashes).
jonas’
nice, it's indeed not
jonas’
then I need to exchange minidom for something saner
nav
Nope, it's missing a couple of words.
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but I recall that that caused issues with our .ent and .dtd files -.-
nav
Yeah I would expect so.
nav
Why not run the output through a proper HTML→plain text converter?
jonas’
because it's not HTML?
jonas’
(which output, anyway?)
jonas’
if anything, extract-metadata.py should probably be an XSL file…
nav
Technically not, but it looks like it should do the job. I'm not talking about the entire XML, obs ☺ but rather the mixed content that you'd like to be pure text.
nav
For instance <abstract/>, <remark/> and so on, where people sometimes use markup.
nav
Yeah, I did write an XSLT stylesheet that creates a xeplist.xml, that's how I found the differences.
do i understand correctly that the roster is for storing user JIDs only and bookmarks are for the groupchats?
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jonas’
adx, yes
jonas’
storing groupchat JIDs in the roster is going to cause fun
jonas’
unless you're using MIX, then it's both likely to cause fun, but also the standard way of doing things
adx
hmm, fun you say... 🙂
adx
yeah, I was talking about MUCs
adx
does anything even implement MIX groupchats?
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Wojtek
@adx tigase-server and BeagleIM/SiskinIM ;-)
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pulkomandy
I wild be at FrOSCon too so I hope there will be some kind of devroom in one way or another
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john-machan
Hello! Do we know of FOSS clients supporting [ephemeral messages](https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0466.html)?
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john-machan:
This was approved just recently and also there is a change that author wants to do already. So no. Too early still.
techmetx11
MSavoritias (fae,ve): unless there's a developer who's watching very carefully
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does the server also have to exclude the message from the MAM when sending?✎
techmetx11
does the server also have to exclude the message from the MAM (if the timer is expired) when sending a MAM request ✏
Zash
you can't do that
Zash
it is forbidden
Zash
you can replace it with a tombstone however
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techmetx11
yeah a tombstone
Zash
so, treat it as a delayed-effect https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0424.html
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there's a stickers XEP?
Zash
XMPP - There's a XEP for that!
Zash
techmetx11, was that a question?
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
> techmetx11 wrote:
> there's a stickers XEP?
Yes
Zash
We need a XEP that encodes whether a message contains a question or a surprised statement!
Zash
Wasn't there a XEP from before it was even called "stickers" ?
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Zash
Obsolete now, but https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0038.html
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
> Zash wrote:
> We need a XEP that encodes whether a message contains a question or a surprised statement!
We have :D
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
But it was rejected
techmetx11
hmmm
techmetx11
now would there be a XEP for a marketplace
techmetx11
or video sharing
techmetx11
i don't think so
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except the video sharing
Zash
don't think "marketplace" would be a XEP
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
There is no need for specifically video sharing. Just video streaming
MSavoritias (fae,ve)
Which there is
Link Mauve
There were five or so attempts at MSN-style shared folders though.
Link Mauve
Which might be that.
techmetx11
shared folders
techmetx11
hmm
techmetx11
XEP for nudging?
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Link Mauve
0224.
Zash
ITYM https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0132.html ;)
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Link Mauve
Or that yeah.
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jonas’: Sent
jonas’
thanks
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pulkomandy If interested in displaying the revision history for outdated XEPs in the DOAP files, here's a patch (goes on top of the ones I sent earlier today)
thanks, not much time for that today (trying to port a C compiler to a new architecture for a project I should finish this weekend for my vacations :p) but I'll try to have a look
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Nae bother. Sample output here btw: https://labs.navlost.eu/pub/doap/poezio.html https://labs.navlost.eu/pub/doap/movim.html
nav
Needless to say, the styling needs some love.
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Good luck with the compiler 👍
wurstsalat
nav, nice, I'd really like to see that happen! I can work on styling the elements when these changes are merged :)
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Link Mauve: Broken link in https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0453.html#rules (https://github.com/xsf/xmpp.org/blob/master/data/README.rst 404s)
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Link Mauve
Ah, wurstsalat broke it in de3d82527a7b3fda3b0cf89e147a14fde801a472.
Link Mauve
In the move to hugo.
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Link Mauve
Did anyone else have any issue with it? Otherwise I’ll probably ask to advance it soon and gather actual experience with it.
May I point out that it's missing a _components_ section? It's kind of an important part of XMPP. ☺
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Link Mauve
Feel free to contribute that, I’m going to sleep. :)
nav
> and then make a Pull Request on GitHub.
Seriously? Using a GAFAM product for what's supposed to be an open protocol? Process-wise that's a bit substandard.
Link Mauve
No, you can use the mailing list if you prefer so.
Link Mauve
Send a patch over there, or to the editor IIRC.
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A catalogue of machine readable software definitions is a great idea though. Enables lots of interesting things, such as comparing XEP support across products, finding the popularity (or otherwise) of different XEPs, etc.
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Roger. It'd be good to make those contribution workflows more explicit though? I don't recall them being documented, maybe I didn't look in the right places.
nav
(I'm working on an XMPP based way to submit Git patches to repositories anyway, should work with popular forges + email)
Link Mauve
Have you talked with goffi already? I think he was working on such things in the past.
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I recall a talk by someone about this, which was kind of the inspiration.
nav
Is goffi here?
nav
I'll see about hitting him up during the day. Bonne nuit !