jdev - 2022-08-15

Gosh, that was some backlog…

MattJ: > The document is the specification Thing is, there is a difference between the opus and the ideas and behind it. Copyright only protects the opus, meaning a specific way of putting things, like in a book. For example, I am not allowed to distribute a copy of a "Harry Potter" book, since the text in that book is copyrighted. But I might freely and publicly talk about its characters, storylines, and everything as such abstract concepts cannot be subject to copyright. However, they could be trademarked (names, logos, sth like this) and patented (ideas how to do stuff). And I think that's what was meant here. The specification document might have a copyright, but the specification as an idea of how to do things cannot (and thus cannot be "public domain", as this is a concept of copyright).

yes thats how i understand it, text -> copyright, ideas -> patents

there are no patents, and the text is public domain for 5+ years

i would be very suprised if anyone accepts a patent after ideas are in public domain for more than 5+ years

Millesimus: yes, this is exactly my point. Trademark and patents don't apply (already established if you read back), and neither does copyright. Which leaves what legal concerns?

We already (in this long conversation) discussed the copyright of the spec and the implementation (libsignal) separately, because they are different

And yet it's apparently still claimed that via some vague unspecified legal means, Signal still have some way to prevent people using OMEMO... ??

> And yet it's apparently still claimed that via some vague unspecified legal means, Signal still have some way to prevent people using OMEMO... ?? Don't think so either. In the cited case against Wire, they just demanded attribution (or money, purportedly).

edhelas, does Movim depend on private XML support? (e.g. for user settings)

MattJ yup

Okay, that probably explains a recent report about it not working properly on a Snikket server

Might move that to some private Pep node 🤔 the code is there for like 8 years