jdev - 2022-08-17

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06:36:12 Link Mauve sam, what’s the difference with Lemmy for instance?
06:36:41 Link Mauve Or when you say room, what’s the difference with XMPP rooms?
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10:47:33 Sam Link Mauve: scuttlebutt is more like Facebook (you follow people and get their long form posts). Room servers are just how you connect with new people and share posts they're more like servers in irc, you can connect to multiple and get posts from the people in them
10:49:48 Link Mauve So pretty much like Mastodon?
10:52:28 Sam Link Mauve: except more long form and the network architecture is different (servers don't store posts, they just connect users, things are more or less p2p). I haven't really decided if it's good or not yet, still experimenting so it would be good to have a few more contacts
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10:54:17 Link Mauve I’m not the right person to use such social stuff, even web forums were too much for me twenty years ago.
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22:01:43 nicoco_ I'm confused by the fallback part of the message replies spec: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0461.html#compat The given NS is 'urn:xmpp:feature-fallback:0' but I don't understand which xep it refers to. is it https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0428.html or a brand new one https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/compatibility-fallback.html ? Looks more like option 2, since <fallback> has a "for" attribute in the example. Any thoughts?
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22:48:49 Zash nicoco_, thought: search for clues in the council room logs
22:51:57 nicoco_ will try that, thanks 🙂
22:52:23 Zash https://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/standards/2022-June/038860.html / https://logs.xmpp.org/council/2022-01-19?p=h
22:53:12 Zash Hm, does that mean Movim implements a ProtoXEP? :/
22:53:16 Zash That's ... uncomfortable
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22:56:14 Zash nicoco_, anyway, the examples are not normative, don't stare yourself blind at them
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22:59:28 Zash and exercise caution when implementing Experimental XEPs, they're subject to change at a whim and then you will not be having a good time if you deployed it already
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23:04:17 nicoco_ thanks for the mailing list and council logs pointers, that's very useful. i thought message replies were a bit more mature than they are… but experimental xeps are "encouraged in exploratory implementations" and this is exactly where I'm at :)
23:05:00 Zash Not even a year old yet
23:07:48 Zash It was submitted at the same time and by the same authors as Compatibility Fallback so I imagine they expected them to be accepted together.
23:09:28 Zash But now we're in the awkward situation that these things are already deployed and used in the wild, which will be messy if any breaking changes are done, as authors are basically free to do during Experimental
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