jdev - 2022-09-12


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  534. pep. When doing MSN in MUC, a new resource joins, I don't advertize any of the other occupants expect other resources of the same account? possibly with @jid set to be more explicit, or not at all?
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  541. MattJ pep., correct (possibly)
  542. MattJ If you do the multiple <item> thing, you may want to update their presence to anyone who is permitted to see that
  543. pep. When doing MSN in MUC, a new resource joins, I don't advertize to any of the other occupants expect other resources of the same account? possibly with @jid set to be more explicit, or not at all?
  544. pep. Should I ensure one of the items is placed first or sth, for clients not handling this? (It's not like MSN was declared anywhere really..). Won't a client interpret weirdly its own presence coming back to it for no reason?
  545. MattJ We haven't seen any problems from that
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  547. pep. Ok
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  564. nicoco_ may I ask what is MSN in this context, for my own education?
  565. MattJ Multi-session nicks, or the ability to have multiple clients of your own connected to the same MUC with the same nick
  566. pep. nicoco_, https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#terms-general it's somewhere in there
  567. MattJ Originally this wasn't defined by XEP-0045, but as people connecting from multiple devices concurrently became more popular, it was added on
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  569. pep. "Multi-session nicks are not currently defined in this document."
  570. pep. Somebody(tm) should write an informational spec someday
  571. MattJ Before this (and still sometimes today in IRC) you would see MattJ-laptop and so on
  572. Ge0rG There is also https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Multi-Session_Nicks
  573. pep. oh
  574. Ge0rG It's also the worst-named abbreviation in XMPP land.
  575. nicoco_ thanks, I figured it couldn't be 'the microsoft network' but did not manage to find the acronym's meaning
  576. MattJ Ge0rG, so you've forgiven CSI so easily?
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  578. nicoco_ >Somebody(tm) should write an informational spec someday please ping me when you do, I'm interested 🙂
  579. pep. Come on I'm sure we could run a contest of badly named specs
  580. Ge0rG MattJ: CSI is the second-worst name, and I'm not forgiving it because there at least we had a chance to prevent it from happening
  581. MattJ pep., we are. It's called the Standards Track ;)
  582. pep. :DD
  583. pep. We should have a "Badly named XEPs of the year" thing
  584. Ge0rG pep.: with the number of XEPs published per year, we might end up with an automatic winner
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  590. pep. What's x/item@nick for exactly? I know it's used as the target for some operations (kicks, bans, etc.), but is it useful when included in a presence update for example?
  591. pep. I know some servers (prosody?) use it to reserve it, but I doubt that's the originally intended use-case
  592. pep. It could be used as a replacement of /nick maybe :P
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  597. MattJ It's used for role change operations, because moderators aren't allowed to see real JIDs of occupants
  598. pep. Ah right
  599. MattJ Prosody's behaviour is because some clients were also using it it for affiliation changes
  600. MattJ and the side-effect of including both is that it gets treated as an affiliation change, but with the specified nick as the nick to be reserved for that affiliated JID
  601. MattJ (that's (too vaguely) defined here: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#grantmember )
  602. pep. “if a nick is provided, that nick becomes the user's default nick in the room if that functionality is supported by the implementation” heh
  603. pep. Is MUC-PM support required btw
  604. pep. One could return service-unavailable error message right?
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  609. pep. Even though I'd want some other way to designate people that isn't realjids.. I might have another look at unique-id and try to do everything with that
  610. MattJ The XEP at least allows it to be disabled, so sure. Just implement it in a way that it cannot be enabled :)
  611. pep. Ah wait, there's a config option already right
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