jdev - 2022-09-17


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  414. Link Mauve In a JID we have that 1023 bytes limit for each component, but is that before or after normalisation?
  415. Link Mauve Say I have a JID of the form ™™™™™™™…@ (with a count of ‘™’ comprised between 341 and 511), should it get accepted by other entities or rejected on the basis it is too long?
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  418. Link Mauve ™ gets normalised to tm, and the former is 3 bytes long in UTF-8, the latter 2 bytes long.
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  438. larma As always: Be strictest on data you create and lax on what others did: Do not allow to sign in or register with the >341 ™ in a component, but accept the <512 ™ when received.
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  444. Link Mauve Yeah, that makes sense.
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  446. Link Mauve Are there codepoints which go the other way, grow in byte length when normalised?
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  457. Zash Prosody uses char[1024] (including NUL trailer) buffers for both input and output, so would reject both cases of oversized JID component.
  458. Zash There's only 0x10FFFF code points, so you could check all of them fairly quickly ;)
  459. Link Mauve Indeed.
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  465. larma Link Mauve, I think composed chars will typically increase in size when normalized
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  468. larma Link Mauve, I think chars that can be expressed as composed chars will typically increase in size when normalized
  469. larma Like á (0xC3A1) turns into á (0x61CC81)
  470. larma are we talking about NFC or NFD though?
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  473. Zash "yes"
  474. Link Mauve Ah no, I was talking about stringprep.
  475. larma Ah, stringprep only increases IIRC
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  481. Link Mauve Only decreases right?
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  483. Link Mauve Like in that ™ → tm example.
  484. larma uhm, I was thinking of number of codepoints. Not sure about utf-8 encoding then
  485. Link Mauve Oh.
  486. larma maybe i'm mixing things up though
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  488. larma Try with ǰ (\u01F0 = 0xC7B0), I think it should become ǰ (\u006A\u030C = 0x6ACC8C)
  489. Zash I observe that it recomposes 0061 0301 → 00E1 (a+´ → á)
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  491. larma The issue with stringprep is that it does case mapping, and some chars have different codepoint requirements in different cases
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  493. larma ΐ \u0390 is case mapped into ΐ \u03B9\u0308\u0301
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  682. flow Link Mauve, would it make sense if it was before normalization? Then a JID would be somtimes valid and somtimes not, a situation that doesn't appear to be much appealing
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  887. Zash but can you pass a >1023 octet string into it?
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  931. rom1dep hello there, do you happen to know if there's a ranking of clients by popularity? Something that a scraper like muclumbus could aggregate and report about. I'm being told that my perception about a certain client being close to extinct is wrong, and it not supporting recent XEPs is a proof that XMPP is full of obsolete clients
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  937. Link Mauve rom1dep, hi, it’s for a single server but you can find our stats here: https://stats.jabberfr.org/
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  939. Link Mauve Check Client identities there.
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  945. rom1dep Link Mauve: super interesting, thanks!
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  949. Link Mauve rom1dep, note also that it is a percentage of the total number of current sessions, some people use multiple clients so the total percentage should probably be higher than 100%.
  950. Link Mauve But currently it’s only counting sessions.
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  953. Zash So no clients like Siskin that only stays connected while it's in the foreground...
  954. Link Mauve Right.
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  1074. flow Zash, not sure if I understand the question? strings that are longer that 1023 bytes/octets after normaliztion when encoded in UTF-8 will be rejected
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  1076. Zash flow, but before?
  1077. flow Zash, yes, I can't rule out that the string before is longer than 1023 bytes
  1078. flow but that is true in general with xmpp string validation: the input string may not be valid
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