jdev - 2022-09-27

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  255. pep.

    Should I always include <x xmlns='muc#user'/> in preence updates as well? (participant changes to busy, etc.)

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  258. Zash

    Does that not make it a join stanza?

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  265. pep.

    hmm. What do affiliation change look like? They also have this <x xmlns='muc#user'/>

  266. pep.

    They don't looke like join stanza

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  268. pep.

    They don't look like join stanza

  269. pep.

    A join stanza is for when it's a new nick in the room? You got me confused

  270. pep.

    A join stanza is for when it's a new participant in the room? You got me confused

  271. Zash

    Ah, <x> without #user, nm

  272. pep.

    No I mean, what should the room broadcast

  273. pep.

    As a MUC I'll accept presence updates even without <x> as long as the user is joined, or at least that's how I understand it, but I'll broadcast them back with the <{muc#user}x/> right?

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  412. lovetox


  413. lovetox

    what sets a disco info from a MUC Service like conference.example.org appart from a muc like muc@conference.example.org?

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  415. lovetox

    or can i say, something without a localpart can never be a muc?

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  419. moparisthebest

    xmpp:cheogram.com is a bot, and also a gateway

  420. moparisthebest

    Unless muc is somehow special but I don't know that it is

  421. lovetox

    not sure what you are trying to tell me

  422. lovetox

    a gateway is not a muc

  423. lovetox

    and has an identity type gateway

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  428. moparisthebest

    I'm just saying that because something is a bot doesn't mean it's not a gateway, I assume somemuc.domain.org could be a muc too, idk

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  434. lovetox

    yeah, but we need to see the difference

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  436. lovetox

    a muc is joinable, a service not

  437. lovetox

    thats the question, how to know

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  446. flow

    lovetox, IIRC there have been some MUCs on bare localpartless JIDs, but I believe that protocols are easier to implement if the kind of JID something operates on is clearly defined

  447. pep.

    Is a service actually needed. In any case the choice to consider jids without a localpart not to be rooms seems rather arbitrary

  448. flow

    that is, I would like to see MUCs on on bare JIDs with a localpart

  449. lovetox

    so the conclusion is, from a disco info you can not know if a jid is a muc component or a room?

  450. lovetox


  451. pep.

    There could/should be something, maybe, in disco. Just please don't restrict the jid for no reason

  452. pep.

    Somebody(tm) should do something about it

  453. lovetox

    pep .. im asking is there something in disco, and your answer is "maybe there is something in disco"

  454. pep.

    No, maybe there should be, I said :p

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  460. lovetox

    nah fuck people who make rooms on jids without localpart

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  466. flow

    I wouldn't use the same words, but I am not sure what the advantage of havning MUCs on localpartless JIDs is, besides being able to show off your corner case protocol knowledge ;)

  467. flow

    I wouldn't use the same words, but I am not sure what the advantage of having MUCs on localpartless JIDs is, besides being able to show off your corner case protocol knowledge ;)

  468. nicoco_

    Also show off that you can break gajim, probably :P

  469. pep.

    What's the point in restricting this? If you're gonna disco anyway why not indeed make it discoverable?

  470. lovetox

    pep. i hope you are aware how standards work

  471. flow

    pep., I think it makes it developing easier and less error prone if the type of jids that a certain service is provided is limited to a sensible set

  472. lovetox

    even if you make it discoverable now, for eternity there will be server who dont announce it

  473. flow

    pep., I think it makes it developing easier and less error prone if the jid kind that a certain service is provided on is limited to a sensible set

  474. lovetox

    further i dont want to maintain code and assumptions which i can not test easily somewhere

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  476. pep.

    "for eternity there will be server who dont announce it" < so what, should we stop making any change because it's not going to be deployed anyway? Please.

  477. pep.

    I'm not even sure I would use this, fwiw. I just don't want to be restricted because somebody didn't want to add a disco feature because "fuck people who make rooms on jids without localpart"

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  481. stefan

    Hi. What does it mean when I request "Last Activity" for an offline user and I get second="0"?

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  485. lovetox

    maybe a misbehaving server?

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