jdev - 2022-12-12

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nicoco 07:28:44
edhelas and Zash: "which message ID to use?" → https://lite.framacalc.org/9igspeka0w-9y47 -- I may have got something wrong, especially message retraction which only mention "origin-id", but since origin-id is not mandatory for clients, maybe it's reasonable to use the message id for 1:1 chats instead?
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Zash 07:31:38
nicoco, would you kindly forget all about origin-id
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nicoco 08:36:17
Zash: what do you mean? I'm just reporting what is in the XEP
Zash 08:36:27
oh no
Zash 08:37:36
nicoco, origin-id and message-id should be considered the same thing, and the later preferred except in very very rare circumstances where a MUC might be rewriting IDs. But then in MUC using an archive-id is better
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nicoco 08:40:43
archive-id‽ stanza-id you mean? I figured so about origin-id, but just reported what I read in the message retraction XEP.
Zash 08:41:13
~~"lowed child has many names" ...~~ ✎
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Zash 08:41:26
"loved child has many names" ... ✏
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Zash 08:41:40
stanza-id when MAM is available is the archive-id 🙂
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nicoco 08:45:47
hahaha. even if I'm not affected by origin-id, I'm glad you clarified this. did I understand this right? → no origin-id should be sent by clients in 1:1, and clients should only use origin-id in if the muc does not have the "jabber.org/protocol/muc#stable_id" feature.
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Zash 08:46:49
MAM had its own id in an earlier version, but it got broken out
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nicoco 08:49:29
examples are not normative, but I guess this example should be changed to remove the origin-id mention? https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0424.html#example-3 It sure looks like origin-id is mandatory; also origin-id and message-id differ in this example, which is not how that's supposed to work, right? ✎
nicoco 08:50:13
examples are not normative, but I guess this example should be changed to remove the origin-id mention? https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0424.html#example-3 It looks like origin-id is mandatory; also origin-id and message-id differ in this example, which is not how that's supposed to work, right? ✏
nicoco 08:52:39
~~mmmm but https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0422.html is explicitely saying that origin-is mandatory for referring to messages. it's a mess, really~~ ✎
nicoco 08:52:48
mmmm but https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0422.html is explicitely saying that origin-id is mandatory for referring to messages. it's a mess, really ✏
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pep. 09:33:53
It's a mess because people disagree on using origin-id :p
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Kev 09:41:54
Origin-id just needs to be balefired and everything will be ok :)
Ge0rG 09:44:20
I vaguely remember a Council member refusing to stabilize 0359 on those grounds. Apparently it's in "abandoned" state since.
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Zash 09:57:00
Proper use of balefire 👍
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nicoco 10:02:27
~~my gateway-developer input (which is not the most important input, I know): my code would be cleaner if we used "1:1→message id and MUC→stanza-id".~~ ✎
nicoco 10:02:41
my gateway-developer input (which is not the most important input, I know): my code would look cleaner if we used "1:1→message id and MUC→stanza-id". ✏
pep. 10:04:39
~~It's not just about code cleanness though, or how easy it is to write, that's how we end up with http upload, wait..~~ ✎
pep. 10:05:17
It's not just about code cleanness though, or how easy it is to write, that's how we end up with http upload, or styling, wait.. ✏
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