jdev - 2023-01-02

or vice versa :)

qy: Go for it, good way to start discussion if nothing else

what's the prevailing opinion though?

that's often not so easy to find out. You can ask around in the MUCs, but kicking of a @standards mailing list discussion is always a good idea. However, sometimes there won't be plently replies. So the next step is to create a ProtoXEP, potentially announcing it on the mailing list for feedback. And if that does not provoke a reaction, then submitting it to the council probably will ;)

and there is of course the question why there is a lack of feedback: is it because nobody cares, or because everyone aggrees

Silent consesus and buggy proof of concepts

Yeah when nobody cares it's really hard to get any feedback.. council feedback is also very limited sometimes (for good or bad reasons) :/

Implement and ship it!

You'll get all the feedback once it's too late to change 😉

qy: something something introducing server handling of chat markers and adoption, maybe

Zash: exactly :p

You could have the server catch and strip 333 in some cases, advertised in disco...

I think there's a MUC module doing that in Prosody.

Another option is just stuffing something in PEP (ala XEP-0223)

I don't know if it'd be a huge overhead to send to one's account in addition to regular markers :x

XEP-0333 just doesn't require server handling, so I was very confused when someone offered to pay me to implement it in Prosody long ago.

pep., could be something automagically managed by the server

You could catch XEP-0333 stuff and store something in PEP.

It could be for sure. A client would have to check disco before that

Clients could then do it themselves if the server doesn't yet

By sending to their own jid

Hmm no

Storing in pep.

Sending everything to pep. to store

Dunno what I would prefer, mam or pep

Even though mam would definitely require server handling if one cares about markers not getting to the other side

mam wouldn't sync live, but pep could

Yeah using MAM supposes the server filters if required

That's how you get live messages