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nicoco
16:39:04
About message moderation (xep-0425)…
- Should messages containing a <moderated> element have a stanza-id?
- In the example 5*, there is none, but if a MUC service has stanza-ids, it should associate one to any message, even if they don't have a body, or am I missing something?
- Again about this example 5, `to="room@muc.example.com/macbeth"`, I think this is mistake? It should be a "real JID", eg `somebody@example.com/poezio123`, and not a "participant JID".
- is it OK to have the room bare JID for `moderated by=`? This last question is related to some other services not providing "moderated by whom". I could use a pseudo nicknameresource like "/system" or something, but it feels a little "more right" to just use the room JID in this case. Any thoughts about this?
* https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html#example-5
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Zash
16:47:33
nicoco, the text says the service sends the "that message was moderated" message to everyone, those messages should normally be archived and would thus have stanza-id.
Zash
16:49:15
I'd also assume that to/from behave like normal broadcast messages and that the example has some mistakes
Zash
16:49:25
Also missing a `>` ?
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Zash
16:49:40
Oh, no, it's just hidden by the overflow scroll thing
nicoco
16:49:50
Zash: thanks! it's what I assumed but wanted to make sure because "examples are not normative" is too hard for me to apply without asking, sorry
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Zash
16:51:02
also, remember that this is an Experimental XEP, it might change in the future
Zash
16:51:17
Like, in the near future, when https://github.com/xsf/xeps/pull/1270 gets merged
nicoco
16:52:22
I'm not scared by experiments, I am a scientist ;). I'll happily update slixmpp to reflect this once merged and/or implemented by clients
nicoco
16:54:13
About the "moderate by=room JID without resource part", I actually have a broader 0045 question. what is the standard or standardish way for a muc to display "system messages"? Is it OK to use the room bare JID? or should it always be "a pseudo participant", eg `room@muc.ex.com/system`?
pep.
16:55:33
It happens to have messages sent from the room jid yeah
Zash
16:55:36
"System messages" would come from the bare room JID.
pep.
16:55:52
biboumi uses that for channel modes that don't translate well for example ✎
pep.
16:56:04
biboumi uses that for channel modes changes that don't translate well for example ✏
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Zash
16:56:49
Old MUC (or maybe even groupchat 1.0?) components used to send more messages from the bare room JID about various stuff
nicoco
16:58:00
thanks! so if break clients, it's on biboumi, good, this won't be the reason I'm banned from the xmpp community.
Zash
16:59:28
as long as you don't send <presence> from the bare JID! :)
nicoco
16:59:39
hahaha oh wait
Zash
16:59:48
... you do because avatars :(
nicoco
17:00:36
oh yes I do. those sweet participant avatars!
Zash
17:00:56
Specifically about `<moderate by=room/nick>`, I think I leave it blank if the current nick of the moderator is not known
Zash
17:01:13
(in the Prosody mod_muc_moderation)
nicoco
17:02:33
hum but https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html#tombstones
> The <moderated/> element MUST have a 'by' attribute specifying the JID of the moderating entity.
and https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0425.html#schema
> <xs:attribute name='by' type='xs:string' use='required'/>
Zash
17:03:14
bah
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Zash
17:03:35
what do you set it to if it's unknown then, ... !summon JC
Zash
17:04:15
as in, if I do a moderation action without being joined, as is usually how I do it because I use a command line tool, there's no nickname
nicoco
17:06:17
I'm also interested in JC's answer here. "no by" or "by=room bare JID" are both fine by me and I have no opinion about which is better.
Zash
17:06:54
The module does look for your reserved nickname, if available uses that
pep.
17:07:09
"I think I leave it blank if the current nick of the moderator is not known" I think I'd leave it blank anyway
pep.
17:07:20
(if that's a thing)
pep.
17:07:35
To avoid people coming at moderators directly
Zash
17:08:00
"a moderator moderated a message"
nicoco
17:08:42
I think there are legitimate cases where it's removed by someone not even in the room. imagine a massive attack on a whole muc service with awful images. I can imagine service-wide moderation tools for the muc service admin who is not necessarily in all the rooms…
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17:09:27
nicoco, feel like typing this up in an email to standards@? :)
Zash
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(so I don't have to and can carry on my lazyness)
Zash
17:09:55
or I guess ^C^V into xsf@ would work
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nicoco
17:11:31
alright, let's email
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Beherit
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offtopic proposal: should we rename the muc into
XMPP Development (jdev)
?
moparisthebest
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Yes please :)
Zash
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move the description to the name? sure
Zash
18:52:23
(description is "Jabber/XMPP Development")
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Beherit
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I'm fine with that too
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