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lovetox
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does it make sense to display a xmpp uri as QR Code?
lovetox
18:04:00
are there smartphone clients who can interpret this and join a room for example?
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moparisthebest
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lovetox: a qr code is just text, so yes
Guus
18:07:01
I have _very_ little knowledge about these things, but I guess it's more up to the smart phone's OS that allows clients to register for URIs?
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lovetox
18:10:53
moparisthebest, i did not ask if a barcode scanner can read a QR code
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lovetox
18:11:10
i asked if a smartphone client does something with it
lovetox
18:11:31
that starts with the client having a button to even trigger the scanner out of the app
moparisthebest
18:11:53
lovetox: no that's not how it works
moparisthebest
18:12:19
Browsers on phones don't have buttons to scan qr codes
lovetox
18:12:20
i have a smartphone maybe i should just try it :d
moparisthebest
18:12:49
You open your qr scanner app, scan it, and the URL handler launches the right app
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lovetox
18:13:50
that would be pretty horrible UX
lovetox
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and its also not true
lovetox
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Conversations has a Scanner Button in the top bar
lovetox
18:14:19
and when you press it and scann a qr code, it opens a join dialog for the MUC
lovetox
18:14:26
so that answers my question
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flow
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why use a QR code when you could just use a string?
singpolyma
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Easier to open my camera app and scan a sign than type out a long URI
Zash
19:35:36
One way to copy and paste those strings across machines with cameras
singpolyma
19:36:36
NFC is even nicer in some cases. But a lot of people have it off by default and you can't display it on a website of course
flow
19:40:40
singpolyma, open camera app and scan string? ✎
flow
19:41:17
singpolyma, open camera app and scan string? I didn't say that the user had to type the string ✏
flow
19:41:35
I believe QRs are widely overused
singpolyma
19:41:42
Sure, OCR is just slightly less accurate and has no error correction
flow
19:42:25
fair point with the error correction, but I would expect it to work reasonable well on modern devices
flow
19:43:01
at least my Android reliable scans http URLs and marks them "clickable", I never noticed that the URL was wrong
singpolyma
19:44:14
It does rely on the human to look and click though. QR you never have to see the URI and it auto opens
Zash
19:44:15
OCR, never actually had that work well. And all our bills are even supposed to have an OCR-friendly font on them!
Peter Waher
19:50:14
yes
flow
19:54:56
singpolyma, Android's Camera app never auto opened an QR for me and I am not sure if this would be a wise behavior
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flow
19:56:36
or are we discussing the situation where the user pressed the "add friend" button in his chat app, and the camera scans for URIs? in that case, QRs and URI strings also seem to be equally powerful
flow
19:57:02
I even assume that you could do some good matching for URI strings, as in, they have to start with "xmpp:" and end with a well-known top-level domain
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Zash
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It'll most likely end with some OMEMO fingerprints
flow
19:59:13
don't get me wrong, QR codes have their use cases, like exchanging crypto signature data. but IMHO when it comes to exchanging relatively short addresses, then they provide no benefit, besides disuising the actual address ✎
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flow
20:00:16
don't get me wrong, QR codes have their use cases, like exchanging crypto signature data. but IMHO when it comes to exchanging relatively short addresses, then they provide no benefit, besides disguising the actual address ✏
wurstsalat
20:00:35
why not offer multiple ways? WhatsApp offers "Share Link", "Copy Link", "QR Code"
Zash
20:00:52
Conversations has some options as well
flow
20:01:08
wurstsalat, lovetox's initial question was "does it make sense to display an xmpp uri as QR code"
Zash
20:01:24
And then there's URLs ala https://yax.im/i/#bob@example.com
flow
20:01:49
assuming we are talking about short URIs like xmpp:muc@chat.example.org then my answer is "probably not" or, at least show the QR code and the URI
wurstsalat
20:01:55
flow, yeah, but in that case it would be a QR code in addition to the chat's URI and a copy button ;)
Zash
20:02:01
"Share this room / contact as QR" is definitely a nice thing to have
Zash
20:02:27
Spares me having to `qrencode -t ansi $(xsel -b)`
flow
20:02:32
maybe, just make sure to also show the URI as string if it isn't too long
Zash
20:03:06
Showing the URI below in a field that can be copied would be fine, or something.
Zash
20:03:50
Dino has a QR popup button thing that's kinda nice.
lovetox
20:04:04
for sharing groupchat uris?
Zash
20:04:46
No, for your own OMEMO fingerprints
lovetox
20:04:54
yeah ok, everyone has that
lovetox
20:05:20
we think about a "share" button and what it would show or can do
lovetox
20:05:33
and obviously it has a entry "copy room link"
lovetox
20:05:48
but the idea was if also a QR code should be shown additionally
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moparisthebest
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flow: wait what Android camera does OCR? I've never seen such a thing
moparisthebest
20:22:35
People are used to scanning qr codes though
Zash
20:23:05
"People" are "used to" ... sorta. Some of them. Sometimes.
singpolyma
20:23:05
moparisthebest: Google lens
moparisthebest
20:23:25
So nothing on Android then
moparisthebest
20:23:41
Some proprietary Google shitware only
moparisthebest
20:24:34
Zash: I mean companies pay hundreds of millions of dollars to run TV commercials with QR codes only so... I assume they did some research before that
Zash
20:25:51
Only a QR code for 30s?
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moparisthebest
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Yep
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Wojtek
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> "People" are "used to" ... sorta. Some of them. Sometimes.
SOT: depends on the bubble and location I guess? In Chile during/after covid most dining places (almost all of them?) completely dropped printed menus and all tables are plastered with QR code that links to the menu and absolutely everyone scans them without batting an eyelid
Peter Waher
21:26:28
Wojtek: Are you also located in Chile?
Wojtek
21:28:04
@Peter Waher yup, for a while at least (Temuco) :-) ✎
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Wojtek
21:28:51
@Peter Waher yup, for a while at least :-) ✏
Peter Waher
21:31:12
Wojtek: Good to know. Let’s connect over LinkedIn if you’re able, in case something comes up. I’m in Concón. Aware of others in Chile working with/interested in XMPP?
techmetx11
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hi, i heard chile?
Peter Waher
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👍
techmetx11
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nice
Wojtek
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@Peter Waher send yout the request. I'm not aware of anyone else involved in XMPP here
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