jdev - 2023-03-23

As of XEP-0050: Ad-Hoc Commands Section 2.3 Announcing the Command List it says "In some cases, a responder entity may find it appropriate to automatically push this information (e.g. a subscribed entity becomes available). In this case, the entity sends a <message/> containing the proper disco#items <query/>" No documentation is available on how some entities can subscribe to others' "http://jabber.org/protocol/commands" node. I also searched in XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol with no luck.

masum.nishat21: you're right, there is no such mechanism

MattJ: what is the implementation of that section?

I'm not aware of any

MattJ: I'm creating an xmpp client. Should i just omit this section?

I suggest so, yes

There is occasionally talk about 'push' for disco#info, but nobody has really worked on it and that suggests nobody really needs it

disco#info/disco#items

MattJ: okay for now I'm leaving it as it is.

Can i request to take care of this section. I believe somebody may need it if it is well documented. Nobody works on this as unavailability of enough documentation.

If somebody needs it, they can work on it. Otherwise it may be better to remove it or add a note

Is it possible for others rather than members of the xep community to work on it?

Sure!

What is the processing if i want to propose a draft for it.

Take a look at https://xmpp.org/about/standards-process/

If you have any questions, let us know... it would be good to get some feedback about that page as a starting point

The "XEP community" is basically anyone who contributes, and anyone is welcome to contribute :)

Okay. I'll check it out.

hi

masum.nishat21: FYI my client implements a UI for messages that attach a list of commands as per that section, and my gateway component hrs a few cases where it does send such messages. But I think we're the only ones

wasn't there a "buttons" xep for that?

jonas’: I'm happy to hear of overlapping xeps of course

https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/buttons.html

iiinbooox :<

if there are concrete use-cases, might be worth re-proposing this

jonas’, it was rewritten and accepted as https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0439.html

oh

then that :-)

I still have 0 XEP numbers on my CV :(

:(

but only because SLA is pending-on-editor-actoin?

Yes

wanna have one of mine? ;D

numbers go up?

Those both seem unrelated to the use case here, those are for chat bot interactions

that's exactly what those were made for really

Right

oh

"those"

inferred wrong context

what's your use case for ad-hoc attached to messages?

https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#voiceapprove this kind of pattern?

For example when someone initiates a jid switch in our service to change their jid, we push to the new jid a message "someone is asking to change oldjit to use this jid" kind of message. The can push button to start the command. Also for register they can start on web and type in their jid, we send a message "to start registration" and they can push the button

We plan to also use one for Bitcoin payment flow to get back to finish registering

thank you I did not want to know about that

We could also use xhtml-im and xmpp:get?command;node= of course as another way, but there are trade offs

my issue is with the mention and use of cryptocurrencies, not with the wire protocol.

No need to be rude :)

We will use it for cheques in the mail flow too, if you prefer to think about that

jonas’: so you won't be a fan of a XEP for lightning payment integration? ;)

for the purpose of my sanity, I'll disengage from this room for a while

> but only because SLA is pending-on-editor-actoin? I am sorry, I do feel very bad that I've not been able to keep up with work, health and Editor since the Summit. I hope to get back on top of things, it's 'just' a case of swimming to the top of the quicksand I'm currently in.

XMPP is to chat what Bitcoin is to money, same thing

moparisthebest: ok, no need to troll the trolls :P

Kev: don't feel bad, it's a lot of work, and you are a volunteer

Both the past volunteers has managed to keep on top of it :/

singpolyma: I'm not, I genuinely never understood why people who prefer federated chat with no single entity in control don't also prefer federated money with no single entity in control

moparisthebest, would you kindly take your off-topic elsewhere

moparisthebest: yes, I understand, but also you're both just saying things you know will make the other upset at this point

I'd like to understand the reasoning honestly

If someone asks me why I respond that way to matrix I can tell them...

I know I say it all the time, but XPath is really cool, and xmllint's --shell also

I'm with you until you say xslt :)

weirdest wedding vows _ever_.

lol

Guus, are you new to this community? :)

Reminds me of x509guide.txt > By the power vested in me, I now declare this text string and this bit string 'name' and 'key'. What RSA has joined, let no man put asunder. -- Bob Blakley

flow: new & innocent

I'm not sure that's the right tagline for Flow.

I shall refrain from suggesting taglines for anyone but myself :D

Guus "Refrains from suggesting taglines"

I'd not go see that movie.