As of
XEP-0050: Ad-Hoc Commands
Section 2.3 Announcing the Command List
it says "In some cases, a responder entity may find it appropriate to
automatically push this information (e.g. a subscribed entity becomes
available). In this case, the entity sends a <message/> containing the
proper disco#items <query/>"
No documentation is available on how some entities can subscribe to
others' "http://jabber.org/protocol/commands" node. I also searched in
XEP-0163: Personal Eventing Protocol with no luck.
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MattJ
masum.nishat21: you're right, there is no such mechanism
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masum.nishat21
MattJ: what is the implementation of that section?
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MattJ
I'm not aware of any
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masum.nishat21
MattJ: I'm creating an xmpp client. Should i just omit this section?
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MattJ
I suggest so, yes
MattJ
There is occasionally talk about 'push' for disco#info, but nobody has really worked on it and that suggests nobody really needs it
MattJ
disco#info/disco#items
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masum.nishat21
MattJ: okay for now I'm leaving it as it is.
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masum.nishat21
Can i request to take care of this section. I believe somebody may need it if it is well documented. Nobody works on this as unavailability of enough documentation.
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MattJ
If somebody needs it, they can work on it. Otherwise it may be better to remove it or add a note
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masum.nishat21
Is it possible for others rather than members of the xep community to work on it?
pep.
Sure!
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masum.nishat21
What is the processing if i want to propose a draft for it.
MattJ
Take a look at https://xmpp.org/about/standards-process/
MattJ
If you have any questions, let us know... it would be good to get some feedback about that page as a starting point
MattJ
The "XEP community" is basically anyone who contributes, and anyone is welcome to contribute :)
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masum.nishat21
Okay. I'll check it out.
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singpolyma
masum.nishat21: FYI my client implements a UI for messages that attach a list of commands as per that section, and my gateway component hrs a few cases where it does send such messages. But I think we're the only ones
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jonas’
wasn't there a "buttons" xep for that?
singpolyma
jonas’: I'm happy to hear of overlapping xeps of course
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jonas’
https://xmpp.org/extensions/inbox/buttons.html
jonas’
iiinbooox :<
jonas’
if there are concrete use-cases, might be worth re-proposing this
Zash
jonas’, it was rewritten and accepted as https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0439.html
jonas’
oh
jonas’
then that :-)
Zash
I still have 0 XEP numbers on my CV :(
jonas’
:(
jonas’
but only because SLA is pending-on-editor-actoin?
Zash
Yes
jonas’
wanna have one of mine? ;D
Zash
numbers go up?
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singpolyma
Those both seem unrelated to the use case here, those are for chat bot interactions
jonas’
that's exactly what those were made for really
singpolyma
Right
jonas’
oh
jonas’
"those"
jonas’
inferred wrong context
jonas’
what's your use case for ad-hoc attached to messages?
Zash
https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0045.html#voiceapprove this kind of pattern?
singpolyma
For example when someone initiates a jid switch in our service to change their jid, we push to the new jid a message "someone is asking to change oldjit to use this jid" kind of message. The can push button to start the command. Also for register they can start on web and type in their jid, we send a message "to start registration" and they can push the button
singpolyma
We plan to also use one for Bitcoin payment flow to get back to finish registering
jonas’
thank you I did not want to know about that
singpolyma
We could also use xhtml-im and xmpp:get?command;node= of course as another way, but there are trade offs
jonas’
my issue is with the mention and use of cryptocurrencies, not with the wire protocol.
singpolyma
No need to be rude :)
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singpolyma
We will use it for cheques in the mail flow too, if you prefer to think about that
moparisthebest
jonas’: so you won't be a fan of a XEP for lightning payment integration? ;)
jonas’
for the purpose of my sanity, I'll disengage from this room for a while
Kev
> but only because SLA is pending-on-editor-actoin?
I am sorry, I do feel very bad that I've not been able to keep up with work, health and Editor since the Summit. I hope to get back on top of things, it's 'just' a case of swimming to the top of the quicksand I'm currently in.
moparisthebest
XMPP is to chat what Bitcoin is to money, same thing
singpolyma
moparisthebest: ok, no need to troll the trolls :P
moparisthebest
Kev: don't feel bad, it's a lot of work, and you are a volunteer
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Kev
Both the past volunteers has managed to keep on top of it :/
moparisthebest
singpolyma: I'm not, I genuinely never understood why people who prefer federated chat with no single entity in control don't also prefer federated money with no single entity in control
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Zash
moparisthebest, would you kindly take your off-topic elsewhere
singpolyma
moparisthebest: yes, I understand, but also you're both just saying things you know will make the other upset at this point
moparisthebest
I'd like to understand the reasoning honestly
moparisthebest
If someone asks me why I respond that way to matrix I can tell them...
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flow
I know I say it all the time, but XPath is really cool, and xmllint's --shell also
moparisthebest
I'm with you until you say xslt :)
Guus
weirdest wedding vows _ever_.
jonas’
lol
flow
Guus, are you new to this community? :)
Zash
Reminds me of x509guide.txt
> By the power vested in me, I now declare this text string and this bit string 'name' and 'key'. What RSA has joined, let no man put asunder. -- Bob Blakley
Guus
flow: new & innocent
Kev
I'm not sure that's the right tagline for Flow.
Guus
I shall refrain from suggesting taglines for anyone but myself :D