jdev - 2023-05-09

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  290. lovetox

    when i subscribe to a pubsub node

  291. lovetox

    not with the +notify stuff, rather in the classical sense

  292. lovetox

    does the pubsub server then send me each update to the node as event message, even if im not online?

  293. lovetox

    go these messages into MAM?

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  295. MattJ

    lovetox, yes it does, and... "it depends" :)

  296. Peter Waher

    When you configure a pubsub node you determine if it will send event notifications or not, and if they should include reference to item, or include the payload in the event message. Event message “should”™ be sent even if recipient is offline, if offline messaging is supported.

  297. lovetox

    ok but its type = normal, will it be stored in MAM?

  298. MattJ

    lovetox, notifications from Prosody (and I think ejabberd?) are type=headline

  299. MattJ

    There is a per-node config option for that in XEP-0060, but at least Prosody doesn't implement it for PEP (maybe we do for standalone pubsub, not sure)

  300. MattJ

    Looks like we do support it for standalone pubsub, but not PEP. That's something we could probably improve.

  301. Zash

    I thought pep and pubsub was the same thing backed by the same code?

  302. Peter Waher

    There’s also a not-so-much-documented option for pubsubnodes called pubsub#presence_based_delivery, which allows you to configure a node (it seems) to only send notifications if IM is online.

  303. MattJ

    The code that generates PEP notifications does not honour the notification type config option

  304. Zash


  305. Peter Waher

    There’s also a not-so-much-documented option for pubsubnodes called pubsub#presence_based_delivery, which allows you to configure a node (it seems, or as I interpret it) to only send notifications if IM is online.

  306. Zash

    Really should have been a subscription option anyway

  307. lovetox

    ok but if its type=headline then its probably not stored by MAM

  308. MattJ

    lovetox, right

  309. lovetox

    how would a client use this subscription then? subscribe while online, and on restart and coming online, poll every node you are subscribed for updates?

  310. MattJ

    Well, PEP is almost exclusively used with +notify instead to prevent the need for that

  311. MattJ

    Explicit subscriptions weren't even supported in Prosody a version or two ago

  312. lovetox

    pep works only if i have presence subscription with a contact or?

  313. MattJ


  314. lovetox

    yeah im thinking about ways to do this without having pres sub

  315. MattJ

    Is this related to OMEMO at all?

  316. lovetox

    yes that was the usecase

  317. lovetox

    how do i get updates from the devicelist

  318. lovetox

    which is openly published

  319. lovetox

    i would need to subscribe, and then poll on coming online

  320. lovetox

    if i understood it correctly

  321. Zash

    pubsub since, except that needs presence subscription too?

  322. MattJ

    There was a discussion about this recently, somewhere. There was one client (maybe Kaidan?) which does explicit subscriptions this way, I think

  323. lovetox

    but its weird, then i need to manage myself to what contacts im subscribed, and ihave no real trigger to unsubscribe

  324. lovetox

    as contacts are not in my roster

  325. lovetox

    i could only go with some defined time without message or something

  326. Zash

    or don't subscribe at all, poll for devices, keystuffs at intervals while communicating, or if you see a new device on incoming messages?

  327. Zash

    if that even works

  328. Zash

    how often do people who aren't developers add new devices anyway?

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  331. Zash

    What if we had temporary (presence) subscriptions with PEP support? Like, exchange mutual directed presence. Server would unsubscribe you automagically when you go unavailable.

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  333. lovetox

    yeah its probably easier for the omemo case to simply query when a conversations starts

  334. lovetox

    and yes your way also works

  335. lovetox

    if i see a new device in a message i dont know, i can trigger a query

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  338. MattJ

    I think that's what Conversations does

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  342. singpolyma

    > Really should have been a subscription option anyway Yes

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  416. wellsfargo@exploit.im

    Can i contact crd2life company

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