jdev - 2023-06-07

  1. pep.

    "Zash> IIRC Dunbar says we can remember about 3000 people." < Doesn't Dunbar say 150?

  2. Zash

    Dunbar says many numbers

  3. Zash

    So yeah, common group sizes of 150, but also like ~5 close relationships

  4. Zash

    > Dunbar noted that the groups fell into three categories—small, medium and large, equivalent to bands, cultural lineage groups and tribes—with respective size ranges of 30–50, 100–200 and 500–2500 members each.[citation needed]

  5. pep.

    "load mod_pep onto the MUC, ???, PROFIT!" Yes. MEP (0316) when?

  6. suba

    can anyone explain client-server connection in xmpp

  7. suba


  8. Zash

    to what audience?

  9. Zash

    suba, https://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6120.html

  10. suba

    i am try to connect the client to server but i didn't get the stanza?

  11. Zash

    You get much better help if you provide more details about what you are trying to do

  12. Menel

    I think you should specify what client, what server and how you set it up. Also logs and error messages. Not beeing able to connect can be everything, beginning with no server running, spanning over problems with dns and firewall /port up to missing certificates or other problems

  13. suba

    we are trying to connect the client to server in xmpp. we have to receive a stanza in client but the stanza sent to the server itself.how can i get the stanza in client

  14. suba


  15. singpolyma

    suba: what client? Or if library, what library?

  16. suba

    suba@abc.org like that

  17. singpolyma

    That's an address. What software are you using

  18. suba

    reactjs and xmpp

  19. singpolyma

    You mean xmpp.js ?

  20. suba


  21. Zash

    Curious, many React related questions here lately

  22. singpolyma

    suba: in browser or node?

  23. singpolyma

    I guess if react probably in browser?

  24. singpolyma

    Do you have the library connecting to server (via proxy or if you have a special server mode for the websocket extension)

  25. suba

    yeah browser

  26. MattJ

    The same question was asked yesterday and I suggested grabbing XML/debug logs

  27. lovetox

    is message from a MUC, meaning with body, a thing?

  28. lovetox

    like administrator sends message to all mucs or something

  29. MattJ


  30. lovetox

    is there a non cli option to trigger it in prosody?

  31. lovetox

    meaning adhoc or something

  32. MattJ

    Not currently... I've been planning to improve our "announcements" functionality for a while, what we have currently isn't great

  33. Zash

    a while, like, since before I got involved? 🙂

  34. lovetox

    ok so basically this is limited to some admin function

  35. lovetox

    .. i wonder what all breaks if Gajim ever receives such a message

  36. MattJ

    Gajim used to handle it okay

  37. Zash

    Didn't IRC gateways use this a lot?

  38. MattJ

    It was rendered in that green colour that presence changes used

  39. lovetox

    yeah since then the whole codebase was probably rewritten :D

  40. MattJ

    Yeah :)

  41. lovetox

    soo how does a admin in prosody trigger it?

  42. MattJ

    It's one of those features that I want to keep working, but nobody uses it much so I tend to assume many modern clients don't handle it well

  43. lovetox

    we may have a test server

  44. MattJ

    There's no easy way right now

  45. lovetox

    ok i give up :D

  46. MattJ

    If you poke me tomorrow I can help you test it

  47. MattJ

    or, well, I probably care the most... I'll poke you :)

  48. lovetox


  49. lovetox

    ok and what would someone announce that way?

  50. lovetox

    it would only be useful if server admin want to send a message to all rooms or

  51. lovetox

    i guess for maintainance announcements

  52. Zash

    Hm, wait, was this about messages from the bare *room* jid or from the *muc component* ?

  53. lovetox

    bare room jid

  54. lovetox

    the component can send messages to my room Oo

  55. lovetox

    ah no, this would be a simple message then

  56. lovetox

    the component jid is simply a contact

  57. lovetox

    this would not be anything special

  58. singpolyma

    > is there a non cli option to trigger it in prosody? I also have a module for using this as part of a pubsub2muc integration