jdev - 2023-06-07

"Zash> IIRC Dunbar says we can remember about 3000 people." < Doesn't Dunbar say 150?

Dunbar says many numbers

So yeah, common group sizes of 150, but also like ~5 close relationships

> Dunbar noted that the groups fell into three categories—small, medium and large, equivalent to bands, cultural lineage groups and tribes—with respective size ranges of 30–50, 100–200 and 500–2500 members each.[citation needed]

"load mod_pep onto the MUC, ???, PROFIT!" Yes. MEP (0316) when?

can anyone explain client-server connection in xmpp

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to what audience?

suba, https://xmpp.org/rfcs/rfc6120.html

i am try to connect the client to server but i didn't get the stanza?

You get much better help if you provide more details about what you are trying to do

I think you should specify what client, what server and how you set it up. Also logs and error messages. Not beeing able to connect can be everything, beginning with no server running, spanning over problems with dns and firewall /port up to missing certificates or other problems

we are trying to connect the client to server in xmpp. we have to receive a stanza in client but the stanza sent to the server itself.how can i get the stanza in client

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suba: what client? Or if library, what library?

suba@abc.org like that

That's an address. What software are you using

reactjs and xmpp

You mean xmpp.js ?

yes

Curious, many React related questions here lately

suba: in browser or node?

I guess if react probably in browser?

Do you have the library connecting to server (via proxy or if you have a special server mode for the websocket extension)

yeah browser

The same question was asked yesterday and I suggested grabbing XML/debug logs

is message from a MUC, meaning with body, a thing?

like administrator sends message to all mucs or something

Yes

is there a non cli option to trigger it in prosody?

meaning adhoc or something

Not currently... I've been planning to improve our "announcements" functionality for a while, what we have currently isn't great

a while, like, since before I got involved? 🙂

ok so basically this is limited to some admin function

.. i wonder what all breaks if Gajim ever receives such a message

Gajim used to handle it okay

Didn't IRC gateways use this a lot?

It was rendered in that green colour that presence changes used

yeah since then the whole codebase was probably rewritten :D

Yeah :)

soo how does a admin in prosody trigger it?

It's one of those features that I want to keep working, but nobody uses it much so I tend to assume many modern clients don't handle it well

we may have a test server

There's no easy way right now

ok i give up :D

If you poke me tomorrow I can help you test it

or, well, I probably care the most... I'll poke you :)

thanks

ok and what would someone announce that way?

it would only be useful if server admin want to send a message to all rooms or

i guess for maintainance announcements

Hm, wait, was this about messages from the bare *room* jid or from the *muc component* ?

bare room jid

the component can send messages to my room Oo

ah no, this would be a simple message then

the component jid is simply a contact

this would not be anything special

> is there a non cli option to trigger it in prosody? I also have a module for using this as part of a pubsub2muc integration ↺