jdev - 2023-08-11

wgreenhouse: you *can* do webrtc over Tor, it's just you might not want to for latency reasons

If your reason isn't privacy and is instead the free domain, not needed

moparisthebest: sure, latency makes it more like ptt sort of feel. radio to the moon

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whats the opinion on showing the message the user typed vs showing the message the MUC reflected

im leaning toward showing what was reflected

though that makes searching for it impossible ..

Show what was sent until reflected?

Yeah

of course thats not up for discussion

i will not invent some text before i see the reflection

the problem is mostly the pastbin mods

im not aware of any other mods where MUC change messages

and for pastbin mods its really problematic, because if the pastebin does not serv the content anymore its lost even for the user

incoming someone who points at some XEP to announce limits

and if i would know the limit i could send a snippet file myself which i can store and preserve and pastebin would never bother me

there's a plugin that strips file sharing metadata, turning those into a regular message with an url

> im not aware of any other mods where MUC change messages Biboumi changes a single message to one message per line ↺

perhaps it can be treated as a correction

i think i would only look the body of the reflection

if you keep previous versions for diffing etc, maybe?

meh ..

maybe i should just mark the message as changed by the server or something

but pastebin .. so ugly

The pastebin mods are a crime I agree, but IMO the client should still show what others actually see

pastebins will remain until all clients support pasting logs and config files into file sharing

i have that on my list

Except I don't want logs or config files in file sharing 😛 I want them inline

and/or collapse them so nobody can send me 1000 screens worth of text

Client doing it is worse because then it'll happen in my MUCs too

singpolyma, would that not be a option on your side to display it inline

why does the sending client need to care how you want to view stuff

Sure, I guess if clients start pastebinning like it's 1999 I can write un-pastebin stuff 🤷

biboumi (and presumably other transports) will continue to need to split and mangle messages though

do you not develop a smartphone client Oo

moparisthebest: oh yeah, I'm not against mangling

Just against pastebins

how do you display a 500 line file there inline?

sounds wrong on many levels

Well, it's sensible to collapse long messages especially with code blocks. Slack and discord do this and I expect to do the same eventually

ok, i always felt i want to view files in software that is dedicated to display and work with that file

Especially on mobile I have no such software

Browser is very bad at it on mobile especially

When people send me a pastebin link they get a "I guess I'll look when back at desktop" reply

because you think you can display a text file better in your client than a browser?

Than a pastebin website? Yes for sure. Much faster too

yep certainly

for me its just text in a browser not a website

but i guess your pastebin might be different

syntax highlighting though

And mobile browsers hate text/plain stuff unfortunately

or maybe you accept that a smartphone is not the right device to look at big amounts of text, and simply look at it on the desktop

which has the bonus that you dont need to invent some sophisticated text view that handles big amounts of text on a smartphone screen

I know people who read entire books on their smartphones

books have the nice bonus that the text does not depend on where it wraps :)

and i read paper books which are smaller than a smartphone

I have to carry the smartphone already though so the book is an extra thing ;)

At the very least, its also horrible to have to context switch by literally switching app

Reddit apps get around this by having internal viewers and webviews

Much nicer

on smartphone many things are horrible

on a desktop i would never want my client to start displaying big textfiles

apart from the fact that it would be horrible performance wise

When I worked at slack companies we used that all the time on desktop. Nice to be able to just see what someone is talking about without going off somewhere else

not sure we are talking about the same thing, but i can send you a 10 MB Gajim log file, and you tell me from "a look" what i am talking about

Yes, that's quite different. 10MB won't fit in a stanza anyway. Or in most pastebins

lovetox: transports (e.g. biboumi on encountering a multi-line message, which is illegal in IRC) also rewrite when reflected

you didnt make this destinction before though, Zash said, people should send log files and config as files, which you replied to > Except I don't want logs or config files in file sharing 😛 I want them inline

but i understand now you meant "small" files

I guess I assumed Zash was talking about ones people might paste now. The sort that get caught by pastebin mods

whats the common allowed stanza size these days?

ah lets leave it :D im tired

yeah i agree a text view for files < 100 lines, scrollable, i could find useful

but its much easier to display this correctly to the user, if it is indeed sent *as file*

because if he just pastes 100 lines, and its just a long message

its kind of weird to show it in a view scrollable with syntaxhighlighting

I think stanza size is around 256k these days?

Everyone talking as if they don't all use https://modules.prosody.im/mod_swedishchef.html 🙂 You see there was a time when conversations *didn't* show the reflected message, so you were wondering why nobody understood your messages....... Until you realized you loaded that module globally 😂