jdev - 2024-05-18

slack shows all the different ones with the same meaning grouped and counted together

moparisthebest: can you show a screenshot?

lovetox: here's an example https://duet-cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/0x0:357x59/640x106/filters:focal(179x30:180x31):format(webp)/cdn.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/22366917/Screen_Shot_2021_03_12_at_5.02.28_PM.png

That's one hell of a URL...

Ok I guess for emojis with modifier that's not hard

Thanks

moparisthebest, so i thought about it, and you cant moderate a reaction of one kind

because reactions are not send per reaction, a reaction stanza contains multiple reactions the user sent

so you can only moderate all reactions per user

which makes the GUI for that again way more complicated, at least when you want to moderate it for a single message

are reaction utf8 ? ✏

in xmpp everything is encoded with utf8

> are reaction utf8 ? reactions are emojis; emojis are unicode characters; unicode characters are encoded using UTF-8

> which makes the GUI for that again way more complicated, at least when you want to moderate it for a single message right-click (long-press on mobile) the offending reaction, select "moderate/remove/whatever", then all users who gave that reaction can be moderated -- if that means all of their reactions are removed and/or blocked, is that a bad thing? If they're trying to cause trouble then they will most likely try again

Moderating a user is different than moderating a message, people make mistakes and that doesn't make them spammers

reactions can be undone if it's an accident

yeah true, i could simply remove all reactions from this user on this message, i guess you convinced me again, its back on

theTedd: a common thing I see in MUCs often is someone posts a message or image intended for another MUC/1:1 message, not always inappropriate/spam, but sometimes private info or whatever, then in a panic they post "oh no sorry how do I remove that?" Thereby locking themselves out of removing it because most clients only let you edit your last message 💀

So I often moderate messages from non-spammers for that reason

The other way, where you ban a user and the dialog gives you an offer to moderate all their messages too is very helpful though

I didn't say ban the user outright, just remove their reactions for that specific message

Yes I agree

> in xmpp everything is encoded with utf8 then why shouldn't we let the end user pick whatever reaction they want ?

oh you guys want to moderate 1 `char` =]]]]

Let's be real emojis are so 2005 people expect to be able to react with arbitrary images now

Yes of course

Arbitrary animated images even

Images? That's so 2015, people expect to be able to react with arbitrary videos now! (dang it singpolyma beat me to it)

I don't have animated custom emoji working yet unfortunately...

we all know we need AI generated 8K short clips that is approved by somebody for copyright and child abused content

long press == approved by ChatGPT

How can we even pretend to be an alternative without animated blockchain AI reaction videos???? /s

I thought "arbitrary" implied "animated" but glad we are all on the same page at least :)

so again on reactions, my idea for normalisation (which should land in the XEP in my opinion) is the following The receiver should strip all emoji variant selectors (text and emoji) before processing the reaction the sender may do the same My rational, variant selectors are only hints how the send would like to have something displayed. But this is not useful in an environment like chat reactions where all parties exactly know how the reaction has to be displayed, its not a question of text vs emoji representation. The user clearly expects to see an emoji as a reaction. So sending it seems useless, not striping it on the receiver side will end in not good user UX, because the same emoji is interpreted not equali, leading to something like this

https://share.hoerist.com/philipp/ZgbooSlisszld2sh/2d3402ef-1e72-4f5a-8851-d72fb2485a99.png

2 exactly looking alike thumbsup emojis side by side

ok im back on, moderating reactions is not doable, reactions are send this way All from the same user: message -> 👍️ message -> 👍️ 🤣️ message -> 👍️🥰️ to moderate this, i would need to moderate all past messages, but keeping all outdated reation messages just for the case i want to moderate the message ids, seems ugly ✏

ok im back on, moderating reactions is not doable, reactions are send this way All from the same user: message -> 👍️ message -> 👍️ 🤣️ message -> 👍️🥰️ to moderate this, i would need to moderate all past messages, but keeping all outdated reaction messages just for the case i want to moderate the message ids, seems ugly ✏

hmmm when i only moderate the last one .. then this moderation could be interpreted simply as would the user send a empty reaction message, overriding everything

hmm but tombstones are a problem, it removes all content from the message, then we dont know anymore that it was a reactions moderation

except the server special cases this and leaves the empty reactions in, which of course he cant do in full stanza encryption cases

which leaves us at , moderating all past reaction messages from this one user , which .. is kind of hard to implement