jdev - 2025-02-05


  1. hyol

    > we're not exactly anti-p2p but we do enjoy the exercise of trying to see how far we can approach the benefits of p2p without using actual p2p Same here

  2. hyol

    > hyol: did you catch up on the discussion? I should be now yes

  3. hyol

    Soni, do you know silverpill?

  4. Soni

    hyol: name doesn't sound unfamiliar but, no we don't think so

  5. hyol

    https://arcanican.is/primer/ap-decentralization.php

  6. hyol

    https://mitra.social/@silverpill

  7. hyol

    He is trying to add that kind of thing to ActivityPub

  8. hyol

    (with keys though)

  9. hyol

    xmpp:silverpill@were.chat

  10. Soni

    oh right the crypto guy

  11. hyol

    Maybe you could get him to make it compatible with your preferred way of simply linking normal server-based accounts (assuming I understand it correctly)

  12. Soni

    the guy with the crypto payments FEP

  13. hyol

    yeah, I think he does stuff like that as well

  14. Soni

    yeah fun fact we once came up with a way to do payments on fedi that doesn't involve crypto

  15. Soni

    nobody liked that tho, so anyway

  16. Soni

    (it did build on linked accounts)

  17. hyol

    sub.club?

  18. Soni

    what's sub.club?

  19. hyol

    It was something like Mitra but with fiat money

  20. Soni

    https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/federated-alternative-to-patreon/4018

  21. hyol

    Now we are going off-topic from the original topic that was already off!

  22. theTedd

    Way off

  23. Soni

    look, fedi is a dead end

  24. Soni

    even the original authors of activitypub think it's a dead end

  25. hyol

    Christine Lemmer-Webber who is making Spritely? Who else?

  26. Soni

    yeah we don't like spritely because it's p2p but anyway

  27. Soni

    say, how about we make a social media frontend for xmpp

  28. hyol

    Is it p2p? I thought it used servers?

  29. hyol

    > say, how about we make a social media frontend for xmpp Have you heard of Movim?

  30. Soni

    we're pretty sure it's p2p, we don't know how it relates to servers

  31. Soni

    what's movim

  32. hyol

    https://movim.eu/

  33. hyol

    > say, how about we make a social media frontend for xmpp btw, I don't think this will solve the problems that fedi has

  34. hyol

    It seems to me that fediblock is just an outgrowth of the fact that it's public social media rather than private chats

  35. Soni

    fediblock is good, we just need to mitigate abuse

  36. hyol

    on fedi, you can see everyone unless you block. on xmpp, everyone is siloed in 1:1 chats or mucs

  37. Soni

    ah

  38. Soni

    so that would explain why we never heard of movim

  39. Soni

    what's the point of using movim if there are no public hashtags to connect to

  40. hyol

    > fediblock is good, we just need to mitigate abuse Can you elaborate? How do you define "abuse" and how do you want to mitigate it? And also, I think a different chat would be best for talking about this.

  41. hyol

    I have one called "Technopolitics", which is about the politics of computer networks and networked spaces.

  42. hyol

    xmpp:technopolitics@conference@macaw.me

  43. hyol

    xmpp:technopolitics@conference.macaw.me?join

  44. hyol

    > what's the point of using movim if there are no public hashtags to connect to I have never seriously used Movim so I can't say

  45. hyol

    > what's the point of using movim if there are no public hashtags to connect to I have never seriously used Movim so I can't say

  46. hyol

    I don't know if there are hashtags or not

  47. hyol

    But I can say that use of hashtags are not necessary for social media

  48. Soni

    discoverability is... useful

  49. moparisthebest

    >> hyol: you can host unlimited identities and/or servers on 1 IP > Then they can be connected by IP address. hyol: IP addresses are rarely single user or unique these days, they normally don't matter at all

  50. moparisthebest

    anyway best not to mix all of this together, separate XMPP IDs is totally separate from how/where they are hosted etc

  51. moparisthebest

    If you want "privacy" then you need a threat model and all that, likely best suited for another channel

  52. jjj333_p (any pronouns)

    > what's the point of using movim if there are no public hashtags to connect to i mean people (including me) still use snapchat

  53. jjj333_p (any pronouns)

    and facebook messenger has stories n shits

  54. jjj333_p (any pronouns)

    imo thats the most directly applicable use of xmpp stories/pubsub, is to kinda come for snapchat's wig

  55. jjj333_p (any pronouns)

    i plan to try to do something of the sort if/when i make a functional prototype of a client (if being the key word)

  56. գրող

    nobody whom i know personally use hashtags on mastodon, though their instances did not enable full text search. i mean yes, though i use hashtags, i don't know personally anyone who does.

  57. Taximax

    I am looking for someone interested in doing some development on a taxi dispatching application using xmpp

  58. Guus

    Taximax, that sounds interesting, but what kind of qualifications do you require?

  59. dwd

    Taximax, Does it exist already? And are you after mobile app work or backend/server?

  60. Taximax

    I am looking for both backend end and app developer to assist

  61. Taximax

    I may need some extensions developed

  62. Taximax

    If any one can assist they can email me parsonsmax65@gmail.com for more details

  63. maxsan

    Or you could provide an xmpp address so people could message you here

  64. maxsan

    🙄

  65. Taximax

    G

  66. Taximax

    OK can do that

  67. Taximax

    What would you reccomend as a good xmpp client

  68. maxsan

    The one your using can receive messages ?

  69. maxsan

    The one you are using can receive messages ?

  70. Guus

    taximax, I suggest that you at least describe in broad strokes what qualifications you're looking for. If anything, what server and client implementations, and/or development platforms / languages are being used?

  71. Taximax

    Hi Guus I am pretty new to this so don't know exactly all the details. But I am looking for an app maybe in flutter with xmpp so passengers can recieve jobs

  72. Taximax

    The jobs will be sent from a dispatch system. I have been using the.matrix library in c# to send xmpp messages

  73. Taximax

    The server side is something I don't understand at all

  74. Taximax

    I know I need to use pubsub to publish jobs to the drivers and also I need to publish drivers location

  75. theTedd

    Just to be clear, what percentage of this system already exists?

  76. taximax

    i have developed some of it already client side

  77. taximax

    i am using the matrix .net libraries

  78. taximax

    so i know how to send messages etc

  79. theTedd

    Are you sending message from matrix to an xmpp server?

  80. theTedd

    Are you sending messages from matrix to an xmpp server?

  81. taximax

    yes

  82. taximax

    at moment just using jabber server

  83. taximax

    one of the extensions i need is a iq where i can send a gs location and it returns cars within a certain radius

  84. taximax

    *gps

  85. theTedd

    So what you're looking for is a "taxi driver app" that publishes the driver's location every few minutes, and can receive job requests that they can accept/decline; then on the other side you'll want to keep track of locations and propose jobs to whoever is free and nearest

  86. taximax

    yes you have the ida

  87. taximax

    idea

  88. taximax

    so similar to uber but with some differences

  89. theTedd

    Is matrix a requirement, or that's just what you happen to be using at the moment?

  90. MattJ

    Sounds identical to something I built 13 years ago

  91. MattJ

    theTedd: this is Matrix the XMPP library, note. Not Matrix the protocol 🙂

  92. taximax

    i am also doing a desktop application for sending jobs

  93. doge

    > So what you're looking for is a "taxi driver app" that publishes the driver's location every few minutes, and can receive job requests that they can accept/decline; then on the other side you'll want to keep track of locations and propose jobs to whoever is free and nearest Of which there are already a lot of on the market and unlike any potential startup they have a userbase...

  94. taximax

    we have a good user base and a particular service

  95. taximax

    i think mattj as possibly worked with someone in the past on a similar project, but we lost the development

  96. taximax

    if mattj is interested i am happ to talk

  97. taximax

    this is matrix the library