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hyol
> we're not exactly anti-p2p but we do enjoy the exercise of trying to see how far we can approach the benefits of p2p without using actual p2p Same here ↺
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hyol
> hyol: did you catch up on the discussion? I should be now yes ↺
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hyol
Soni, do you know silverpill?
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Soni
hyol: name doesn't sound unfamiliar but, no we don't think so
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hyol
https://arcanican.is/primer/ap-decentralization.php
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hyol
https://mitra.social/@silverpill
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hyol
He is trying to add that kind of thing to ActivityPub
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hyol
(with keys though)
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hyol
xmpp:silverpill@were.chat
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Soni
oh right the crypto guy
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hyol
Maybe you could get him to make it compatible with your preferred way of simply linking normal server-based accounts (assuming I understand it correctly)
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Soni
the guy with the crypto payments FEP
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hyol
yeah, I think he does stuff like that as well
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Soni
yeah fun fact we once came up with a way to do payments on fedi that doesn't involve crypto
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Soni
nobody liked that tho, so anyway
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Soni
(it did build on linked accounts)
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hyol
sub.club?
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Soni
what's sub.club?
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hyol
It was something like Mitra but with fiat money
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Soni
https://socialhub.activitypub.rocks/t/federated-alternative-to-patreon/4018
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hyol
Now we are going off-topic from the original topic that was already off!
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theTedd
Way off
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Soni
look, fedi is a dead end
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Soni
even the original authors of activitypub think it's a dead end
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hyol
Christine Lemmer-Webber who is making Spritely? Who else?
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Soni
yeah we don't like spritely because it's p2p but anyway
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Soni
say, how about we make a social media frontend for xmpp
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hyol
Is it p2p? I thought it used servers?
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hyol
> say, how about we make a social media frontend for xmpp Have you heard of Movim? ↺
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Soni
we're pretty sure it's p2p, we don't know how it relates to servers
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Soni
what's movim
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hyol
https://movim.eu/
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hyol
> say, how about we make a social media frontend for xmpp btw, I don't think this will solve the problems that fedi has ↺
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hyol
It seems to me that fediblock is just an outgrowth of the fact that it's public social media rather than private chats
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Soni
fediblock is good, we just need to mitigate abuse
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hyol
on fedi, you can see everyone unless you block. on xmpp, everyone is siloed in 1:1 chats or mucs
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Soni
ah
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Soni
so that would explain why we never heard of movim
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Soni
what's the point of using movim if there are no public hashtags to connect to
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hyol
> fediblock is good, we just need to mitigate abuse Can you elaborate? How do you define "abuse" and how do you want to mitigate it? And also, I think a different chat would be best for talking about this. ↺
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hyol
I have one called "Technopolitics", which is about the politics of computer networks and networked spaces.
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hyol
xmpp:technopolitics@conference@macaw.me✎ -
hyol
xmpp:technopolitics@conference.macaw.me?join ✏
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hyol
> what's the point of using movim if there are no public hashtags to connect to I have never seriously used Movim so I can't say✎ ↺ -
hyol
> what's the point of using movim if there are no public hashtags to connect to I have never seriously used Movim so I can't say ✏ ↺
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hyol
I don't know if there are hashtags or not
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hyol
But I can say that use of hashtags are not necessary for social media
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Soni
discoverability is... useful
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moparisthebest
>> hyol: you can host unlimited identities and/or servers on 1 IP > Then they can be connected by IP address. hyol: IP addresses are rarely single user or unique these days, they normally don't matter at all ↺
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moparisthebest
anyway best not to mix all of this together, separate XMPP IDs is totally separate from how/where they are hosted etc
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moparisthebest
If you want "privacy" then you need a threat model and all that, likely best suited for another channel
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jjj333_p (any pronouns)
> what's the point of using movim if there are no public hashtags to connect to i mean people (including me) still use snapchat ↺
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jjj333_p (any pronouns)
and facebook messenger has stories n shits
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jjj333_p (any pronouns)
imo thats the most directly applicable use of xmpp stories/pubsub, is to kinda come for snapchat's wig
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jjj333_p (any pronouns)
i plan to try to do something of the sort if/when i make a functional prototype of a client (if being the key word)
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գրող
nobody whom i know personally use hashtags on mastodon, though their instances did not enable full text search. i mean yes, though i use hashtags, i don't know personally anyone who does.
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Taximax
I am looking for someone interested in doing some development on a taxi dispatching application using xmpp
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Guus
Taximax, that sounds interesting, but what kind of qualifications do you require?
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dwd
Taximax, Does it exist already? And are you after mobile app work or backend/server?
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Taximax
I am looking for both backend end and app developer to assist
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Taximax
I may need some extensions developed
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Taximax
If any one can assist they can email me parsonsmax65@gmail.com for more details
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maxsan
Or you could provide an xmpp address so people could message you here
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maxsan
🙄
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Taximax
G
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Taximax
OK can do that
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Taximax
What would you reccomend as a good xmpp client
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maxsan
The one your using can receive messages ?✎ -
maxsan
The one you are using can receive messages ? ✏
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Guus
taximax, I suggest that you at least describe in broad strokes what qualifications you're looking for. If anything, what server and client implementations, and/or development platforms / languages are being used?
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Taximax
Hi Guus I am pretty new to this so don't know exactly all the details. But I am looking for an app maybe in flutter with xmpp so passengers can recieve jobs
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Taximax
The jobs will be sent from a dispatch system. I have been using the.matrix library in c# to send xmpp messages
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Taximax
The server side is something I don't understand at all
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Taximax
I know I need to use pubsub to publish jobs to the drivers and also I need to publish drivers location
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theTedd
Just to be clear, what percentage of this system already exists?
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taximax
i have developed some of it already client side
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taximax
i am using the matrix .net libraries
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taximax
so i know how to send messages etc
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theTedd
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theTedd
Are you sending messages from matrix to an xmpp server? ✏
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taximax
yes
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taximax
at moment just using jabber server
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taximax
one of the extensions i need is a iq where i can send a gs location and it returns cars within a certain radius
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taximax
*gps
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theTedd
So what you're looking for is a "taxi driver app" that publishes the driver's location every few minutes, and can receive job requests that they can accept/decline; then on the other side you'll want to keep track of locations and propose jobs to whoever is free and nearest
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taximax
yes you have the ida
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taximax
idea
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taximax
so similar to uber but with some differences
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theTedd
Is matrix a requirement, or that's just what you happen to be using at the moment?
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MattJ
Sounds identical to something I built 13 years ago
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MattJ
theTedd: this is Matrix the XMPP library, note. Not Matrix the protocol 🙂
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taximax
i am also doing a desktop application for sending jobs
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doge
> So what you're looking for is a "taxi driver app" that publishes the driver's location every few minutes, and can receive job requests that they can accept/decline; then on the other side you'll want to keep track of locations and propose jobs to whoever is free and nearest Of which there are already a lot of on the market and unlike any potential startup they have a userbase... ↺
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taximax
we have a good user base and a particular service
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taximax
i think mattj as possibly worked with someone in the past on a similar project, but we lost the development
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taximax
if mattj is interested i am happ to talk
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taximax
this is matrix the library