jdev - 2025-02-14

Are there any implementations of XEP-0174 (serverless messaging) ?

jjrh, old Gajim used to do that, but you’ll have to go as old as 0.16 for that I think.

Ah no, 1.4.0 according to https://xmpp.org/extensions/#xep-0174-implementations

I believe Slimber should still work.

Although we've not tried to update for modern versions of dependencies.

Okay thanks 🙂

> jjrh, old Gajim used to do that, but you’ll have to go as old as 0.16 for that I think. why was it removed? ↺

qy, probably a pain to maintain and lack of usage

That's a shame, it's a nice feature :(

Yeah it's a cool idea, I was hoping someone had done it for slixmpp for chat on a local network

Slimber is a local proxy.

So you run Slimber, connect your normal XMPP client to it, and it translates into 174. It's not been touched in years, so it might need some love, though.

https://github.com/swift/swift/tree/master/Slimber

https://github.com/jmechnich/python-presence

The reason we removed it in Gajim is, very few users, and it made the code very complex

if you look at it from above you think, hm i get a presence, then i open a chat, and write a message, whats the big deal

what we realized is that we depend with many features on a server being there, and we had our code litered with conditions "if zeroconf: ..."

like everywhere

stuff broke because of that all the time, because you constantly need to think, does this code work in a zeroconf setup

so in theory, one could take gajim 1.4.0, and instead remove all the "serverful" paths, and have a great serverless client?

dont know about great :D but if you write a client, i would do it either zeroconf only

or traditional

or you really think hard about it before and find a super nice abstraction for everything

bolting zeroconf on a tranditional client is a bad idea

or the Slimber way of a separate component emulating a server

Zeroconf was officially removed in 1.4.0, but it was not working for much longer

Don't know if it even worked in 1.0