jdev - 2025-06-11

Modern smartphones are also the descendants of the iPhone that came by adding cellular connection to the iPod Touch (which I'd think was a PDA due to not having a cellular connection?)

Ipod touch came after iphone

Really? I always thought it was before

Why did it come at all then

Still beyond me what the point of it even was, why would you want to not have a model in a mobile device.

If they already had a version with the phone included

Yeah exactly

it was much cheaper, and thinner and lighter

and it didn't give you notifications for anything

Maybe the point was to create another ithing that a user could buy so they could have more ithings. I doubt it goes deeper than that.

and you could still use it on wifi as if it were a phone, just not with the phone and sms function

> it was much cheaper, and thinner and lighter Was it? Were modens that big then? and what was the use case? Did they expect you to have a dumb phone and an iPod touch in addition lol? ↺

no, it was for users who didn't want to spend all that money on a phone, when wifi was totally sufficient for their needs

yes it was

Okay I just checked Wikipedia: iPhone was released in June 2007 whereas iPod Touch came in September 2007

So you were right doge

i purchased the first iphone literally a week after it came out, for the company i worked for back then, in order to create a web app for it. so i have a pretty good memory of the whole history

> Was it? Were modens that big then? and what was the use case? Did they expect you to have a dumb phone and an iPod touch in addition lol? well, yes. dumb phones were the absolute norm. the smartest thing you could buy was a blackberry, and that was mostly for corporate types. there was no android, nothing ↺

so nobody craved a thing they didn't know they wanted yet

and ipod was wildly popular

mobile internet plans were also much more expensive and it was very slow

only EDGE

Oh yeah, I'd forgotten about that

3G is what really changed the game

not even mentioning that most websites weren't optimized for mobile screens at all, so on iOS you looked at a desktop site and hen double-tap-zoomed your way around it. there were also only the built-in apps, and everything else was required to be a web app. i..e. nothing that would stay connected and give you notifications while on the road, like whatsapp or whatever

I remember that the orignal iPhone launched with 2G, despite 3G being available - thought to be because of battery life at the time. All the Apple fans were cheerfully saying that mobile data was irrelevant anyway.

Also, my symbian phone handled quite a bit at the time. Possibly more - I think it had GPS, whereas the first iPhones used some whacky combo of cell toweres and visible WiFi APs.

Oh symbian, such memories

> not even mentioning that most websites weren't optimized for mobile screens at all, so on iOS you looked at a desktop site and hen double-tap-zoomed your way around it. there were also only the built-in apps, and everything else was required to be a web app. i..e. nothing that would stay connected and give you notifications while on the road, like whatsapp or whatever Yeah. Having a browser that could handle desktop sites was the whole selling feature of iPhone 1. There were no apps yet after all. Sad that we traded that for this current world ↺

I suspect that this is the type of conversation where youngsters would utter the words "ok boomer"

Anybody here from the Poezio developers? https://poez.io/ is not reachable

cal0pteryx: xmpp:poezio@muc.poez.io?join

That's not resolving for me. Was actually trying to join the slixmpp support chat, which is hosted on the same domain

Here also, remote server not found.

Hmm I'm still in there, sounds like I better hope s2s doesn't fail

moparisthebest, maybe you can transfer that info into the chat, while you're still joined :D

>> not even mentioning that most websites weren't optimized for mobile screens at all, so on iOS you looked at a desktop site and hen double-tap-zoomed your way around it. there were also only the built-in apps, and everything else was required to be a web app. i..e. nothing that would stay connected and give you notifications while on the road, like whatsapp or whatever > Yeah. Having a browser that could handle desktop sites was the whole selling feature of iPhone 1. There were no apps yet after all. > > Sad that we traded that for this current world Being able to run actual programs on your phone is a good thing. Being forced to do that tho... Isn't ↺

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