jdev - 2026-01-29

anyone seen the maintainer of https://www.npmjs.com/package/stanza ?

domain that their chat is hosted on now points to the login for some sketchy ai app

no commits in a year

alternatively where are the docs for https://github.com/xmppjs/xmpp.js?tab=readme-ov-file

found it https://github.com/xmppjs/xmpp.js/tree/main/packages/client

i keep running into ```xml <stream:error> <undefined-condition xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams"/> <text xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams">Client acknowledged more stanzas than sent by server</text> </stream:error> ``` 🤔

bad smacks impl?

oh ig if we'll discuss it ill post it again instead of retracting ```xml <stream:error> <undefined-condition xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams"/> <text xmlns="urn:ietf:params:xml:ns:xmpp-streams">Client acknowledged more stanzas than sent by server</text> </stream:error> ```

i fixed it by removing this that was in the sample code:

https://downloadable.pain.agency/file_share/019c0901-30b7-7f11-a498-6ee3e5d3d9ba/9768de77-f056-461d-92ae-f4712ff1ed4c.png

jjj333_p (any pronouns), just so you know, a lot of the XMPP community is currently at XMPP Summit in Brussels, you might not get much help these few days. :)

ah gotcha

one of these days maybe ill be able to go to such events (i may move to germany)

Where are you located currently?

hawaii 🙃

it costs like $250 just to go between islands, and im a broke college student

Oh wow.

i also dont live on oahu which is the island that any events in hawaii happen on

It cost me about 30€ to go from my place to Brussels by trains, about 600km. ✏

its beautiful out here, but the price you pay is isolation... I plan on doing a masters in germany or the like though. probably offtopic for this room lol

Is there a standard process for detecting URLs inside XEP-0393 messages? How should that interact with the styling tokens?

393 defines no syntax for urls

so .. the styling syntax rules apply to urls the same as to all other text

ah true I guess that's fine since they still show up

actually, is it even possible for a link to cross the style boundaries given the whitespace rules?

> actually, is it even possible for a link to cross the style boundaries given the whitespace rules? in theory urls can contain spaces, one of those weird grey areas ↺

in the form of "%20" which browsers might choose to display 'nicely'

gajim breaks the xep0066 embed if the url contains spaces (because i guess the url doesnt match the way its parsing the body?) even though if you copy paste into firefox it loads as expected

> in the form of "%20" which browsers might choose to display 'nicely' ive pasted links with a normal ` ` ↺

Yes, but the browser does the conversion for you

curl also handles it fine as long as you put the url in " so that the shell doesnt eat it

I think if a user puts a space in a message, then it's reasonable to assume they don't mean it to be part of the URL

You won't be able to find anyone agree on how a URL should look https://daniel.haxx.se/blog/2022/01/10/dont-mix-url-parsers/

perhaps, tbh im still beefing with everyone following the conversations decision of if body != url then dont embed, and then even further beefing with even if both url and body contain a space then theyre not considered equal and it doesnt embed ✏

aka People try to be clever instead of following the spec

Maybe read the blog? It does mention "the spec", or lack thereof

I did. It mentions RFC 3986 and 3987, the latter is for internationlized urls

The issue is that everyone writes their own parser differently, based on what _they_ expect/want

> perhaps, tbh im still beefing with everyone following the conversations decision of if body != url then dont embed, and then even further beefing with even if both url and body contain a space then theyre not considered equal and it doesnt embed Who you calling everyone 😉 ↺

There are also several specsbwith several versions and not all the same. None allow spaces though

> I did. It mentions RFC 3986 and 3987, the latter is for internationlized urls yes the 2 specs no one follows ↺

the XMPP equivalent of mixing 2 url parsers is mixing 2 xml parsers, which has resulted in really nasty vulns in the past https://project-zero.issues.chromium.org/issues/42451378 too bad we are all still doing this

> Who you calling everyone 😉 tbh i assumed cheogram did since my understanding is its based on conversations ↺

i just assumed it would be inherited

> perhaps, tbh im still beefing with everyone following the conversations decision of if body != url then dont embed, and then even further beefing with even if both url and body contain a space then theyre not considered equal and it doesnt embed Gajim has a option to preview all images ↺

also without 0066

> Gajim has a option to preview all images lovetox, it seems to be either autoload all content or it doesnt embed at all. I dont want to have to open firefox every time but i also dont want every image ever downloaded, especially with there being no automatic pruning ↺