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10:59:03 yon https://xiaoyu.net:7443/httpfileupload/a3109f0d-bb4f-4543-a76e-ede7b0c631e7/V7Kxuv24TBWt1JMEZynTHQ.jpg
10:59:26 yon xmpp check not normal work
10:59:47 yon i am using.ecc cert
11:00:26 ThurahT that's a screen shot if I ever saw one
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11:02:11 yon now check.messaging.one
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15:36:06 yon hi
15:39:37 MattJ Hi
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16:00:41 edhelas spam from swissjabber.li
16:00:44 edhelas blacklisting also this server
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16:00:58 Ge0rG just blacklist *@swissjabber.*
16:01:10 Ge0rG > dujin2320@swissjabber.eu wants to subscribe just got that
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16:03:55 edhelas i cannot blacklist with .*
16:04:01 edhelas any idea of all the extensions ?
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16:08:55 Zash Internet search gives https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/SwissJabber.ch
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16:10:40 Ge0rG Which is ancient.
16:12:02 SouL I used to have a MUC there
16:13:03 SouL Because SwissJabber was the only server I could find that allowed like 500 people in a MUC or something like that
16:13:05 SouL maybe 700
16:13:13 Maranda O_o?
16:13:31 Maranda "allowed"
16:13:54 SouL Or could handle
16:14:04 Maranda better
16:14:11 Maranda :P
16:14:18 SouL Whatever you use to describe the participants limit :D
16:15:16 Link Mauve SouL, are there many servers with a limit?
16:15:27 Maranda Don't look here.
16:16:22 Maranda Limiting sounds like +l on IRC, that's why "handling" is better than "allowed"
16:17:02 Link Mauve Are you expecting scaling issues in MUC?
16:17:10 Maranda Yes, are you not?
16:17:15 Maranda :P
16:17:32 Link Mauve Given the very small amount of resources used normally by my servers, no.
16:17:50 SouL Link Mauve, I don't know actually. At that time I didn't even had my own server or anything. So I just kept browsing public servers with Psi+ until I found that one, when modifying the MUC settings, the limit would be really big, compared to the ones I used to use.
16:18:23 Link Mauve SouL, at least in Prosody, there is no limit setting.
16:18:28 Maranda Hmm each message or presence stanza sent to the muc *needs* to get reflected 700 times, does that ring a bell?
16:18:39 Maranda just to begin with.
16:19:02 Link Mauve Maranda, so you’re expecting 700 packets to take your network to its knees?
16:19:06 Ge0rG presence traffic on a MUC is O(N²)
16:19:11 Maranda ^
16:19:31 Holger Link Mauve: Prosody has MUC traffic limits I keep running into with legitimate traffic, though.
16:19:59 Ge0rG mod_muc_limits is absolutely inadequate.
16:19:59 Link Mauve Holger, you mean mod_muc_limit, the one limiting the amount of concurrent messages?
16:20:19 Ge0rG The queue is filled up with CSNs and then your actual messages are rejected.
16:20:34 Ge0rG https://prosody.im/issues/988
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16:20:58 Holger Link Mauve: Probably. I just receive the error stanzas :-)
16:21:01 Link Mauve Note that this is a community module, not part of the server.
16:21:19 Link Mauve If operators use it, they’re on their own.
16:21:34 Holger Link Mauve: So there's some Prosody user in the community who believes that MUC scalability might be an issue :-)
16:21:53 Holger Link Mauve: If they don't, they're not on their own? :-)
16:22:34 Link Mauve Holger, AFAIK, it’s not a solution to scalability, but a solution to random spammers who used to flood MUCs.
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16:23:45 Holger DoS against MUC is easy because MUC doesn't scale.
16:24:08 Maranda Just that that the rtc of most public traffic (presence and messages) in is O(N^2) as Ge0rG pointed out, is enough to tell you how well MUC scales Link Mauve.
16:24:27 Link Mauve Maranda, rtc?
16:24:32 Maranda I think you don't need another reason.
16:24:40 Maranda Running Time Complexity?
16:24:43 Maranda brb
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16:30:03 Maranda tbh while mod_muc_limits isn't perfect it looked to always be one of the few viable solutions to muc servers not getting brought down to their knees by a DoS.
16:30:18 Maranda so I wouldn't really spit on it.
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16:30:51 Ge0rG I'm not spitting on it, it's in use on my server. But I wish somebody would improve it.
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16:32:05 Maranda The improvements I made to it, was making the limit ratio configurable by room (with muc pluggable config), but I'm confident that could be in Prosody's as well.
16:32:26 Ge0rG adhoc commands?
16:32:29 Maranda But I'm not sure that'd fix any issue
16:32:33 Maranda no just room config
16:34:01 Ge0rG Maranda: not in default 0.10 MUC code :(
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16:38:04 Maranda Ge0rG, https://lightwitch.org/Media/Default/Pictures/muc_limit_config.png -- it also can be (? I don't remember if it's the default) setup to ignore traffic from server buddies (xep-267)
16:38:31 Ge0rG Maranda: way too complicated
16:40:22 SouL I like to be able to configure stuff
16:40:43 Ge0rG `[ ] Configure stuff`
16:40:55 Ge0rG `[ 75%] Stuff Stuffyness`
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16:41:49 Maranda Ge0rG, also you know that mod_muc_limits doesn't drop stanzas from affiliated members right?
16:42:36 Ge0rG Maranda: I know
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17:27:13 Marzanna -certinfo chat.jabb.ip
17:27:13 Bunneh Marzanna: Host unreachable: Server-to-server connection failed: DNS resolution failed
17:27:20 Marzanna -certinfo chat.jabb.im
17:27:22 Bunneh Marzanna: chat.jabb.im has a mismatched certificate issued by Let's Encrypt Authority X3
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17:57:56 Maranda -certinfo metronome.im
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17:58:00 Bunneh Maranda: metronome.im has a valid certificate issued by Let's Encrypt Authority X3
17:58:41 yon xiaoyu.net
17:59:24 yon test site only get T result
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18:02:58 nuron The TLS connection failed... You should fix that issue
18:03:00 nuron yon:
18:03:22 yon client can connect
18:03:32 yon i.using ecc cert
18:03:40 yon tls 1.2
18:04:15 yon maybe site cant test ec cert?
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18:04:31 nuron https://uploads.trashserver.net/upload/5Nb8HXHOgUeORUVR/cHnnaS1hRQGd9rjIgVYPKQ.jpg
18:04:32 nuron yon:
18:05:01 nuron Maybe you haven't set an srv record? Or you haven't open this port
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18:05:31 yon 5222 open
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18:06:47 yon should site cant.connect ec cert
18:07:10 yon i have test some clients can work
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18:15:43 nuron Hmm when you have tested the TLS and it works everything will be fine
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18:18:43 yon i shoud is A
18:20:28 yon Recommend a good APP for me?
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18:21:05 yon i download some app not good for use
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