XMPP Service Operators - 2019-07-22

There is absolutely zero matrix does that XMPP can't do, and do it better

matrix devs lie about XMPP

you can view it on archive.org

saying lies like XMPP doesn't have pubsub

now on their website they just say we don't want to compete with XMPP and just build bridges

that's because they literally can't compete with XMPP. they have no valid arguments, so they don't try to

all they are doing is trying to reimplement XMPP from scratch with JSON instead of XML, because XML is older and therefor it's bad according to matrix

but doing it badly

and making a HUGE number of features mandatory in the minimum spec

making the protocol considerably more bloated, and less usuable in IOT envrioments where you don't need every feature of an IM network under the sun, just enough to realtime sensor data or whatever your doing

the X in XMPP means Xtensable for a reason

If you ask me it's mostly likely another fake privacy inititive in order to create anoher closed siloed walled off platform

ounce their main server gets big enough they will give even their bridges the finger

and become like telegram or signal

or slack

more likely

they project goals might be ideal in paper, but in implementation it's complete utter garbage

and there's not a good reason to replace decades of development, standardization, and matured software for the same thing just an inferior unscalable implementation

tom: I'm not a Matrix proponent. I was just looking for a transport that would allow communication with it if required. That's all. I've used XMPP off and on for over a decade.

Allie: take a look into matterbridge

I am using matterbridge to bridge from xmpp to irc to telegram to discord, I know it supports matrix and I think it also supports signal

aj: cool, thanks :) I'll check it out

Hmmm... tried to connect to an IRC server using biboumi, got "ERROR: connection closed" and now "Execute command" is greyed out on gajim's menu, leaving me no hope of fixing the problem

EmleyMoor: greyed out on what JID?

The server's JID

the IRC server's?

Yes

sounds like a bug in either gajim or biboumi

I can't find any way to get back to a condition where I can configure for that IRC server - and I *still* can't reach the biboumi MUC

"get back to a condition"?

by restarting things, etc

Yes... the "Execute Command" remains greyed out for the JID in question no matter what I do

even if you restart gajim?

(also maybe biboumi’s logs, if you have them)

louiz’, that was the first thing I tried

I do have a biboumi log... I can pastebin anything to do with said JID if you think it would be helpful

yes

http://paste.debian.net/1092590/

What I want is to make it forget, so I can start that one again from scratch

(I have shut off my other XMPP clients for now, until this is resolved)

In your logs I only see one attempt to get the list of available command (which is “Configure” only, I think). It looks like it’s gajim that is not trying to fetch the list again

Well, whichever "it" is amiss, I need to somehow put it right. I am not having a problem with the other IRC servers - "Execute command" is remaining blacked in for those

I have no idea

There's no "forget about" command for biboumi?

biboumi doesn’t remember that kind of things

and in gajim, I don’t know

OK... so could it be ejabberd, or its database, I have to persuade to forget?

I've tried removing the offending JID from my roster but it persists

I've got one question about biboumi I haven't resolved yet... are the IRC server settings configured per user? (I think they surely must be, but need to check before I let my other user loose on it)

EmleyMoor: you can have global settings, and you can set up an instance that connects to a pre-configured server, but the default is that every user has their own servers they can configure

Ge0rG, That's as I expected, then. My partner is hoping to start using more of the chat spaces I use and at least this way it will be "all under one roof".

While I think about that, is there any way to use WhatsApp without losing the normal phone client access?

I think there are inofficial bridges, but you risk your phone number getting burned

You mean "they" don't like it? Hmmm...

Yeah, what a surprise.

Sadly I don't have a friend on their staff... unlike Facebook

EmleyMoor: WhatsApp _is_ Facebook.

There's nothing that does it innocuously via Whatsapp Web?

And I wouldn't admit in public of knowing people at Facebook

I don't know. I'm a WhatsApp refusenik

Ge0rG, I know they own WhatsApp but it's reverse corporate schizophrenia to conflate the facts like that.

EmleyMoor: not being an insider, I can't comment on the actual state. But from extrapolating the user hostility that Facebook emits at each possible occasion, I tend to assume the worst, and then one-up it.

At least it's not corporate schizophrenia of the BT/OpenReach kind

I have no idea of that.

One company, trading under two names, and with itself, passing the buck and treating the real customers badly