XMPP Service Operators - 2019-08-12


  1. aj

    how does xmpp compare to matrix? Does matrix solve any of the problems that the xmpp ecosystem is facing?

  2. jonas’

    sure. it also introduces different problems

  3. aj

    what sorts of problems jonas’?

  4. aj

    I've never used matrix much so I only know the pain points of xmpp

  5. vanitasvitae

    aj: in my experience their server is *very* slow

  6. vanitasvitae

    Their imolementation that is

  7. vanitasvitae

    Logging in took some 30 seconds at times.

  8. jonas’

    aj, it is very intensive on resources

  9. vanitasvitae

    XMPP is much more responsive. But obviously your milage may vary from server to server.

  10. muppeth

    and it logs everything you do and say in the database forever. including everything form the past on every room you join (from the creation of the room)

  11. Licaon_Kter

    muppeth: and replicates it to all the servers of all the participants

  12. aj

    Ah, yeah, I came to the same conclusions vanitasvitae and jonas’

  13. aj

    I just feared that all the hype has gone onto matrix, there aren't many people working on XMPP anymore

  14. MattJ

    There are plenty of us working on XMPP :)

  15. muppeth

    aj, indeed, but there is lately quite some people moving to xmpp and also some people that actually do some dev work

  16. pep.

    Matrix also advertises E2EE _and_ gateways, they're really keen on that (almost like they invented gateways!). Two features mostly incompatible (lots of pain guaranteed)

  17. Ge0rG

    pep.: but they HAVE invented gateway! Just 15 years after Jabber did.

  18. muppeth

    Thats because they are bridges not gateways 😋

  19. tom

    they are bery keen on that because they don't want to compared to or compete with XMPP on a technical and merit basis

  20. Licaon_Kter

    Conveniently only the XMPP bridge is abandoned...not Facebook, Discord, Slack, IRC, Telegram or even Tox