XMPP Service Operators

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01:56:39 aj Wow I didn't know NLNet labs was sponsoring Conversations
01:58:37 aj Holger: Ah, interesting. I use Swift actually, I didn't realize it was by M-Link
02:00:27 aj I have a curious question, what was the main motivation behind BOSH/websockets support? Was it to help reduce battery life by reducing the need for a long-lived TCP connection? Or was it for evading corporate firewalls?
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04:51:28 Holger aj: No, using HTTP doesn't help with battery life. Main motivation is that JavaScript clients cannot open raw TCP connections.
04:53:45 aj Ahh
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05:43:27 tom aj, does swift have jingle and omemo?
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05:47:04 Holger tom: No.
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05:48:48 Holger tom: Also no inline pics, and their MAM support isn't done yet. Other than that it's actually a nice client IMO (quite robust, and more usable for non-geeks than e.g. Gajim).
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05:52:23 tom Is it planned for is the isode clients stringly text messaging?
05:52:36 tom like just IRC-like functionality
05:54:16 Holger I _think_ they're not big fans of OMEMO but other features are planned, but you'd have to ask them themselves: xmpp:swift@rooms.swift.im?join
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07:21:32 aj tom: To add to what Holger said, swift also lacks file upload
07:21:43 aj But it actually has working carbons support unlike adium
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07:32:32 Holger > tom: To add to what Holger said, swift also lacks file upload Yup. It just has old-school peer-to-peer file transfer (which works with e.g. Conversations or Gajim on the other end).
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08:06:06 tom why do people put each componet on a subdomain?
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08:08:21 tom is that reccomended?
08:08:55 tom also, if i'm using mod_http_upload_external on prosody, do I still need to use a seperate componet if upload.mydomain.com is on a different domain?
08:12:54 jonas’ tom, you cannot have multiple components on the same domain generally
08:13:10 tom generally?
08:13:14 jonas’ e.g. you cannot put a MUC service and a PubSub service on the same domain and expect it to not blow up
08:13:31 jonas’ you might get away with putting an upload service on a MUC service domain, depending on the server implementation, but that’s still messy.
08:13:50 tom is it a protocol problem or a server implementation problem?
08:14:11 jonas’ I wouldn’t call it a problem at all
08:14:21 jonas’ those are just conflicting features to have on a single address
08:14:45 jonas’ e.g. when enumerating the items of that domain with both MUC and PubSub, would it return the pubsub nodes, the MUC rooms, or a mix of both?
08:15:06 tom ok, so If I just replaced mod_http_upload with mod_http_upload_external and the external server is on a different ip and server, do I still need to configure the server to put the upload componet on upload.mydomain.com ?
08:15:22 jonas’ which server are we talking about?
08:15:27 tom Prosody
08:16:07 jonas’ maybe ask in xmpp:prosody@conference.prosody.im?join ; I’m not 100% sure how http upload works in that regard
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08:19:43 Holger tom: Note that the JID of the upload service is usually not user-visible at all (it's unrelated to the URL; though I'm not 100% sure whatever module you're using somehow wants to relate both after all). And as long as you only allow local users to upload stuff, you don't necessarily need a DNS/certificate entry for that either.
08:20:35 tom only difference is that it doesn't show up is gajim's disco
08:20:50 tom but gajim detects the new functionality just fine and enables the http upload button
08:22:39 Holger Fine then. Still hacky :-)
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08:25:54 tom how can I make in not hacky?
08:26:33 tom are you saying I don't need a certificate and DNS pointing to the XMPP server?
08:26:39 tom but I do for the actual upload cdn
08:26:41 tom ?
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08:27:19 tom and that they can be the same thing?
08:27:23 Holger I could only repeat myself.
08:27:36 tom what?
08:27:38 Holger But whatever. If your setup works it's fine I guess.
08:31:28 tom I want to make sure i'm doing this all proper
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10:31:56 tom yeah
10:32:16 tom turns out some clients freak out and try to use someone elses upload server
10:32:24 tom no idea why
10:33:16 tom anyways, on an unrelated note Would I have any interoperability issues if I migrated from an RSA4096 certificate to a ECC384 one?
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16:01:13 aj anybody here use siskin before? how is the MUC support?
16:01:32 aj I can't seem to find their official support MUC, I guess that's a bad sign.
16:06:31 Licaon_Kter aj: try xmpp:tigase@muc.tigase.org?join
16:06:42 aj ah thanks
16:06:57 Holger aj: xmpp:tigase xmpp:tigase@muc.tigase.org?join
16:06:57 aj but I guess it's a moot point now, I just checked with the #fsf, and they said that GPL apps are not allowed on the Apple app store
16:07:06 aj so I can't really fork the project for my needs =/
16:07:17 aj but thanks I'll join it anyway Licaon_Kter and Holger
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16:09:20 Holger They would have to add an exception for the app store themselves.
16:09:23 Licaon_Kter aj: what? VLC? Monal?
16:09:28 Holger It's distributed there.
16:09:58 Licaon_Kter My bad Monal is BSD.
16:10:06 Holger Licaon_Kter: Yes, known issue. There was big drama around the axolotl library until Moxie added an exception.
16:10:13 aj Monal is MIT licensed. I'm not sure about VLC, but they may be treading on a gray area
16:10:13 Licaon_Kter Exactly
16:10:25 aj I mean I asked the #fsf, I presume they know what they're saying
16:10:27 aj they wrote the license
16:10:37 aj Although they could be wrong, should I go lecture them? =)
16:11:05 Licaon_Kter ChatSecure is GPL3 afaics
16:11:13 aj He's the sole author though, so he can do whatever he watns
16:11:23 aj if we're forking downstream, we don't have that freedom
16:11:55 aj as the author he can do whatever he wants; the code he gives us is then GPL licensed, which makes it illegal for us to fork without an exception
16:13:16 Licaon_Kter aj: what? He says this is GPL and publishes ok...but you can't fork it an publish in the same store? Wtf?
16:13:42 jonas’ Licaon_Kter, not necessarily, no.
16:14:02 aj Licaon_Kter: Think of it like this. As the author, he can publish it, then say no rights given to you whatsoever
16:14:03 jonas’ he owns the code, so he can do whatever he wants, in addition to what the GPL allows/requires
16:14:16 aj that would be legal. But he chose to release it under the GPLv3. His own code, however, he can do whatever he wants with it
16:14:17 jonas’ so he can also go ahead and give Apple permissions beyond what the GPL allows
16:14:26 jonas’ but you can’t do that, because the code was given to you under the conditions of the GPL
16:14:29 aj He's not restricted by the GPL license, since he's not a recipient of the code, but the author
16:14:45 Licaon_Kter > I just checked with the #fsf, and they said that GPL apps are not allowed on the Apple app store Umm..what does this mean then?
16:14:46 jonas’ that’s one of the amazing properties of the GPL which actually allows commercialisation of free software. many people don’t realize that
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16:15:37 Licaon_Kter So you need to ask for his permission, at fork time just to be sure, right?
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16:15:43 aj I guess in this case, it's misleading for these guys to say it's open source then
16:15:56 aj or free software, since we don't really have the ability to fork
16:16:13 aj Licaon_Kter I think if you get his permission you can do whatever you want with it.
16:16:17 jonas’ Licaon_Kter, yes, and you need to ask the same permission from all the contributors.
16:16:25 Licaon_Kter It's free there on Github, not on Apple store since they inject DRM, right?
16:16:31 jonas’ because it’s not obvious to them since they’re contributing under the terms of the GPL
16:17:09 Licaon_Kter jonas’: that's their problem...when you contribute you should know....not CLAs to sign, F that, but you know...read LICENCE file
16:17:20 jonas’ Licaon_Kter, yes, but the LICENSE file says GPL
16:17:29 jonas’ when you publish on the app store, that’s not under the terms of the GPL
16:17:48 jonas’ so you need extra-permission from the contributors beyond what is in the LICENSE file, to distribute the code via Applecrap
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16:20:30 aj ChatSecure has the same issue
16:20:49 aj The dev says if you want 'to relicense this code to distribute it on the App Store', I need to contact him
16:20:55 aj =/ ok I guess it's monal then
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16:24:53 Licaon_Kter Secure their ok...first
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19:42:17 tom jonas’, take a look the the dual licensing mess with the nextcloud apple "app"
19:42:31 tom if you get it from the developers it's licensed GNU
19:42:35 tom GPL
19:42:44 tom if you get it from the app store it's proprietary
19:42:51 tom it's the same app
19:42:59 tom apple is so full of crap
19:43:19 tom no developer should put up with apple's developer treatment
19:44:00 tom I remember when they gave Vulkan the finger and tried to get game developers to use their own proprietary graphics layer called Metal
19:44:07 tom and that's why macs have to games
19:44:11 tom *no
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20:37:41 perflyst > Conversations has a grant at the moment for implementing A/V, and some money comes in from commercial requests what is A/V?
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