ajWow I didn't know NLNet labs was sponsoring Conversations
ajHolger: Ah, interesting. I use Swift actually, I didn't realize it was by M-Link
ajI have a curious question, what was the main motivation behind BOSH/websockets support? Was it to help reduce battery life by reducing the need for a long-lived TCP connection? Or was it for evading corporate firewalls?
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Holgeraj: No, using HTTP doesn't help with battery life. Main motivation is that JavaScript clients cannot open raw TCP connections.
ajAhh
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tomaj, does swift have jingle and omemo?
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Holgertom: No.
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Holgertom: Also no inline pics, and their MAM support isn't done yet. Other than that it's actually a nice client IMO (quite robust, and more usable for non-geeks than e.g. Gajim).
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tomIs it planned for is the isode clients stringly text messaging?
tomlike just IRC-like functionality
HolgerI _think_ they're not big fans of OMEMO but other features are planned, but you'd have to ask them themselves: xmpp:swift@rooms.swift.im?join
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ajtom: To add to what Holger said, swift also lacks file upload
ajBut it actually has working carbons support unlike adium
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Holger> tom: To add to what Holger said, swift also lacks file upload
Yup. It just has old-school peer-to-peer file transfer (which works with e.g. Conversations or Gajim on the other end).
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tomwhy do people put each componet on a subdomain?
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tomis that reccomended?
tomalso, if i'm using mod_http_upload_external on prosody, do I still need to use a seperate componet if upload.mydomain.com is on a different domain?
jonas’tom, you cannot have multiple components on the same domain generally
tomgenerally?
jonas’e.g. you cannot put a MUC service and a PubSub service on the same domain and expect it to not blow up
jonas’you might get away with putting an upload service on a MUC service domain, depending on the server implementation, but that’s still messy.
tomis it a protocol problem or a server implementation problem?
jonas’I wouldn’t call it a problem at all
jonas’those are just conflicting features to have on a single address
jonas’e.g. when enumerating the items of that domain with both MUC and PubSub, would it return the pubsub nodes, the MUC rooms, or a mix of both?
tomok, so If I just replaced mod_http_upload with mod_http_upload_external and the external server is on a different ip and server, do I still need to configure the server to put the upload componet on upload.mydomain.com ?
jonas’which server are we talking about?
tomProsody
jonas’maybe ask in xmpp:prosody@conference.prosody.im?join ; I’m not 100% sure how http upload works in that regard
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Holgertom: Note that the JID of the upload service is usually not user-visible at all (it's unrelated to the URL; though I'm not 100% sure whatever module you're using somehow wants to relate both after all). And as long as you only allow local users to upload stuff, you don't necessarily need a DNS/certificate entry for that either.
tomonly difference is that it doesn't show up is gajim's disco
tombut gajim detects the new functionality just fine and enables the http upload button
HolgerFine then. Still hacky :-)
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tomhow can I make in not hacky?
tomare you saying I don't need a certificate and DNS pointing to the XMPP server?
tombut I do for the actual upload cdn
tom?
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tomand that they can be the same thing?
HolgerI could only repeat myself.
tomwhat?
HolgerBut whatever. If your setup works it's fine I guess.
tomI want to make sure i'm doing this all proper
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tomyeah
tomturns out some clients freak out and try to use someone elses upload server
tomno idea why
tomanyways, on an unrelated note
Would I have any interoperability issues if I migrated from an RSA4096 certificate to a ECC384 one?
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ajanybody here use siskin before? how is the MUC support?
ajI can't seem to find their official support MUC, I guess that's a bad sign.