XMPP Service Operators - 2019-10-15

Hello! I'm new to XMPP. I'm not sure from the page https://xmpp.org/community/chat.html (or otherwise at all) is this the chat for simple users?

Besides chat and mailing lists, does XMPP have a more modern forum? Like Kontalk, Signal Users...

Someone: XMPP has itself....what do you mean?

Someone, here is a room for service operators, you may be interested in various other topics for which you can find rooms here: https://search.jabber.network/

Licaon_Kter, Link Mauve: I realized XMPP is a relatively small community. Basically I'm looking for where the main XMPP user discussion takes place, wish some key developers participating, too.

I like the forum format. So I wonder if XMPP has something like https://forum.kontalk.org/ or https://community.signalusers.org/. If not why not?

Someone, we have a mailing list and channels. Forum is so 90s ("mailing list is so 80s" I hear)

Someone: small is relative

So, what is the main user channel? The main website, XMPP.org doesn't suggest any. Or I'm missing something.

As my above examples of the Kontalk and Signal forums suggest, forums are very well 2010s. :)

there is no main user channel.

should there be one?

maybe there should

it depends on main

It is easy to have a main channel for an application :)

I’d base it on language instead of application actually

for users

Maybe there should. :)

I mean there is a main communications channel to use for users of most open source projects. Such as FreeBSD, Ubuntu, Gnome, Swift language, or whatever.

Yeah, those are projects

So you can join Gajim's room, or whatever

This jdev@muc.xmpp.org is for development

Wait! What's your definition of a project? To which XMPP itself may not fit?

Weare on operators@

Anyway, I suggest there to be a main users@muc.xmpp.org or something. No surprise XMPP didn't get mass adoption in the last 20 years. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Someone, yes, this place is for people managing an XMPP service (aka Server admins and the like)

Someone, users usually want to ask and talk about the client they are using

I'm not.

I'm useing whatever web client and it's fine. I want to ask about XMPP itself.

Sure

"No surprise XMPP didn't get mass adoption in the last 20 years.", everybody's got a different reason for that, or why other projects have been successful :)

My fist guess is leadership decisions, scrtucture, or thinking at the head definitely has to be at lest part of the reason.

Someone, there is xsf@muc.xmpp.org for protocol talk, jdev@muc.xmpp.org for dev talk around XMPP. There is jabber@conference.jabber.org for users of XMPP, but lately we've been moving off that service because it's not really well maintained. Maybe there can be an equivalent on muc.xmpp.org

And I can't type, sorry.

Someone, also different goals. XMPP is a protocol. Adoption for XMPP means in projects, not especially by users themselves

Similarly many are interested in email technology, not just the different email clients and services offered out there...

"Someone, there is xsf@muc.xmpp.org for protocol talk, jdev@muc.xmpp.org for dev talk around XMPP. There is jabber@conference.jabber.org for users of XMPP, but lately we've been moving off that service because it's not really well maintained. Maybe there can be an equivalent on muc.xmpp.org" Okay. So which one to join as a user? If not now, maybe in the distant or not so distant future? :)

Someone: there is no central xmpp...users are of clients...clients devs have their rooms...

Someone, what do you mean by user?

What kind of things you want to discuss?

As a user

As a developer (user of XMPP), you might want to join xsf@muc.xmpp.org and jdev@muc.xmpp.org :)

What do I want to discus as a user? I've read in the Matrix.org FAQ that we didn't end up as a society putting our XMPP handles on our business cards. As most people have no clue what it is. This has been the case of XMPP's last 20 years. What's your vision for the next 20 years of XMPP?

"As a developer (user of XMPP), you might want to join xsf@muc.xmpp.org and jdev@muc.xmpp.org :)" Which ONE, as a user? You already confuse me. :(

You're already not on the right channel anyway, not sure how you ended up here. And if you're an end-user, you might want to join the channel of your client

Matrix only conviently mixes all about protocol, implementations, etc., I don't think that's a good practice to follow (the one "good" thing is that they can show numbers)

Someone, xsf@muc.xmpp.org

How I ended up here? I went to XMPP.org And simply tried to find out which might be XMPP's main user channel. As most other 99% of open source projects have one.

Someone: you are here to repeat "20 years" and talk about Matrix? Why?

Is there even one channel that everybody joins on Discord, Slack, Telegram, WhatsApp? I'm curious now

"I'm useing whatever web client and it's fine. I want to ask about XMPP itself." It has zero things to do with my client.

oh ok, I missed that sentence

Then join xmpp:xsf@muc.xmpp.org?join

Someone: there is none....users talk between themselves not navelgaze about making a room full of users to attract VC funds based on the member numbers

"Someone: you are here to repeat "20 years" and talk about Matrix? Why?" I mentioned Matrix once. Their FAQ, and their mention of XMPP in this context made me thinking. I thought this is an excellent question to ask the XMPP folks.

pep, thanks!

Someone, you can also do that from the web client, should be able to

I didn't talk, or imply anything about VC funds...

no but you mentioned Matrix a few times, that's enough to trigger some :)

I've said I've only mentioned Matrix ONCE. And heck, I though that would be a fair comparison.

It depends

But don't bother about that, just join that one and ask

OK, I got your recommendation of xsf@ as my channel... I can leave you right here... or we can got to some conclusion of this chat. :)

Well, you will se almost the same people you see here, but there :P

See you there :D

see*

OK, see you, but tomorrow! I have other things to do as well...

https://xmpp.org/chat?xsf < direct webchat link to the room

Got it. See you!

“12:00:52 Someone> […] we didn't end up as a society putting our XMPP handles on our business cards. […]”, we didn’t? Damn, I didn’t get the memo, that still is the main information I give to people, followed by my email (which incidentally is the same address).

Link Mauve: and then you are surprised why nobody messages you? ;)

No, I’m actually getting too many messages at times.

From the Russians, selling drugs and moneys?

No, they stopped messaging me once I started running mod_firewall. :(

I'm pretty sure I know where that person came from. I told them if they wanted to put theirs xmpp address on their business card to go ahead. I'm not sure why that's some kind of pro for matrix? I haven't seen business cards with matrix addresses either. I guess it's a failed project then!

allie: let's wait 20 years...

lol