404.cityspam from jabber jabservice@jabbim.com jabservise@xmpp.jp quickcoin@linuxlovers.at quick_coin@exploit.im quick_coin19@jabber.sk Prof: https://telegra.ph/Flud-servis-04-10
Ge0rGjabbim admins won't delete spammer accounts.
404.cityGe0rG, This is likely to be sufficient equipment to include jabbim .com in the ban list
Ge0rG404.city: step 2: escalate to ISP
Ge0rG-ETIME
Ge0rGAlright, yax.im is going down for a short maintenance. BRB
mightyBroccoli404.city: the blacklist Readme gives a nice overview of the overall workflow of this group.
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404.cityThe worst thing is that blocking such servers causes negative feedback from users. At the same time, these same servers sell contact databases to spammers.
When adding a contact from a similar server, a person automatically enters the spam mailing list. Then people wonder how spammers know their XMPP ID.
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MartinDo you have proof that those servers collect addresses and are not just abused from spammers for their dirty work?
MartinActually I only get spam to not existing jids. I don't know why, but I still report them as they might also have real users from other servers in their list.
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Ge0rG404.city [10:52]:
> At the same time, these same servers sell contact databases to spammers.
This is a very strong accusation. I hope you have proof of that.
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404.cityGe0rG, Spammers wrote to me. They offered money to protect a spam account. They also offered money for the XMPP IDs contact database. They also offered spam protection. They said that they would not send spam to 404.city and from 404.city in exchange for protecting the spammer's account. I declined the offer of spammers, but some servers may be bribed by spammers.
Ge0rG404.city: that's very interesting indeed. It puts a response I've received recently into a new light. Do you know of servers that accepted the deal?
404.cityGe0rG, >This is a very strong accusation. I hope you have proof of that.
I have no evidence of this, but if the server protects spammers, the spammer probably bribed the owner of the server.
Ge0rGAlso what's the value in your user database if they promise not to spam you?
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MattJSell it to other spammers who will spam you :P
pep.:D
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404.city>Also what's the value in your user database if they promise not to spam you?
In the router, the contacts of other servers. They buy contacts of interlocutors. This explains why XMPP IDs that are not publicly placed get into the spam database.
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pep.Wat
pep.And you buy into this?
404.city>Sell it to other spammers who will spam you :P
Spammers conflict with each other spamers. There is information that they order flood attacks against competing spammers.
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404.city> pep.: And you buy into this?
I refused to sell the any database to these spammers.
pep.k
pep.("Buy into" here was meant as "believe", not literally buying)
404.cityI will explain the structure of the work of spammers.
404.cityThe spammers are located in Russia. This makes it impossible for them to be arrested by European intelligence services.
404.cityI think the intelligence services already have enough information about them.
Ge0rGWhat if we write a bot that registers random account names at different IBR servers and tracks incoming spam.
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Holger'honeybot'
Ge0rGHolger: awesome name
Ge0rGHolger: do it!
pep.The distribution of spam is not the same among accounts
pep.Even on the same server
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Martin> 'honeybot'
🥰
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Licaon_Kter> I think the intelligence services already have enough information about them.
Since when is SPAM a matter for "intelligence agencies" pffft ?
Ge0rGLicaon_Kter: they infiltrate the spammers to obtain lists of jabber users, to be used as input for the enemy of the state blacklists
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Licaon_KterGe0rG: cool story bro
Ge0rGjonas’: how many outgoing c2s connections can aioxmpp handle?
jonas’Ge0rG, it depends
jonas’there is no technical limit
jonas’the only limit will be your resources
Ge0rGjonas’: how hard would it be to hack something together that does IBR on a list of servers and stays logged in with a non-negative presence?
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Licaon_KterGe0rG: that sounds like what a spammer would love, bypass captcha too? :))
Ge0rGLicaon_Kter: you'd be surprised how many servers offer IBR with no captcha
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Licaon_KterGe0rG: user friendly for clients that can't, eg. CS
Ge0rGThere also used to be a promo video of a spam software showing off their parallel-connection tool
Ge0rGLicaon_Kter: IBR captchas have been circumvented in the past
XMPP Service Operators - 2019-11-08