atomspam from quickcoin@linuxlovers.at quickcoin@linuxlovers.at quick_coin19@jabber.sk jabservice@jabbim.com jabservise@xmpp.jp
Licaon_Kteratom, the 404 closed stream is not an issue, once a new message comes itwill be connected again
tomFor some reason it dings me whenever you say atom
tomIn psi-plus
Licaon_Kter"a_tom" "a tom" "ah tom"
atomlol
tomOh
tomI guess psi-plus needs it's regex adjusted to account for words
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Licaon_Kteratom: report the spammers as per these instructions
https://github.com/JabberSPAM/blacklist
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atom Ge0rG, I propose to add to the spam manifest the wording on blocking the accomplices of spam mailings. The true sources of spam are not servers sending out spam, but servers providing feedback to spammers. Example jabbim.com jabb.im etc
Licaon_Kteratom: feedback?
atomLicaon_Kter, jabservice@jabbim.com
atomspammer
Licaon_KterWhat does "feedback" mean?
atomIt is necessary to block the funding of spammers.
atomLicaon_Kter, contact for order spam mailing
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Licaon_KterSo when joespammer@spamm.im sends a spam message text "Buy cheap bitcoins and c1alis from atom@notspamme.rs" we should ban you too, right?
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atomLicaon_Kter, Let's follow the logic. If an account atom@notspamme.rs sells spam, then it agrees to sell spam.
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Martinatom:
> The true sources of spam are not servers sending out spam, but servers providing feedback to spammers. Example jabbim.com jabb.im etc
We should fight both. Report the spam to the sending server and jabbim as well.
Ge0rGatom: hot do you know whether a given account sells spam?
atomGe0rG, jabservice@jabbim.com yes. the account and all server jabbim.com sell spam
Ge0rGatom: do you have evidence?
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atomGe0rG, Let's come up with an even more telling name. sellspamjabberservice@jabbim.com
Is your manifest designed to fight spam?
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Ge0rGatom: but where is the line? How do you ensure that you don't become a tool in some spammer's hands?
atomGe0rG, Write an account jabservice@jabbim.com from a fake account and buy spam mailing. What are you fooling around. I don’t want to talk to you anymore.
Ge0rGatom: did you write them? Do you have a log that you want to publish? Do I consider you trustworthy enough not to fake logs?
atomGe0rG, I gave you instructions on how to check this spammer or not. You don't want to check my evidence.
Ge0rGatom: I'm not responsible for jabbim. I reported the issue to them and they don't want to do anything about it
atomGe0rG, Why is your anti-spam manifest necessary if it does not block spammers? Your manifest blocks spammers victims.
Ge0rGatom: so I need to change the manifesto in a transparent way regarding sellers accounts.
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atomGe0rG, I think it is necessary to improve the manifesto by including sanctions against the organizers of spam mailings and servers of accomplices. There is no other method of combating spam in the blocking context. If we want to block spam, we need to block spam funding. This is a classic practice used to block spam e-mail.
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Ge0rGatom: and we need a transparent approach to remain credible
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jonas’atom, my experience with email spam blocking is that the senders are blocked, not the orchestrators
jonas’or rather, what people *think* are the senders
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jonas’speaking from experience of being caught in a /48 (!) ban
jonas’speaking from experience of being caught in the crossfire a /48 (!) IPv6 ban
jonas’speaking from experience of being caught in the crossfire of a /48 (!) IPv6 ban