XMPP Service Operators

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05:41:36 atom MattJ, ralphm Don't work s2s 404.city <=> muc.xmpp.org Is there any information about this?
05:41:55 atom 2019-12-01 04:33:56.045 [info] <0.26888.7>@ejabberd_s2s_in:process_closed:131 Closing inbound s2s connection muc.xmpp.org -> 404.city: Stream closed by local host: Idle connection (connection-timeout)
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08:15:25 Licaon_Kter atom: 404 forces some odd tls choices on s2s, maybe https://github.com/E-404/Manifestos/blob/master/1.md
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09:37:58 atom Licaon_Kter, A few days ago the connection worked. This is not like a certificate error.
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09:43:44 Licaon_Kter ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
09:44:26 atom 2019-12-01 02:54:58.853 [info] <0.26888.7>@ejabberd_s2s_in:handle_auth_success:181 (tls|<0.26888.7>) Accepted inbound s2s EXTERNAL authentication muc.xmpp.org -> 404.city (::ffff:208.68.163.210) 2019-12-01 04:33:56.045 [info] <0.26888.7>@ejabberd_s2s_in:process_closed:131 Closing inbound s2s connection muc.xmpp.org -> 404.city: Stream closed by local host: Idle connection (connection-timeout
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09:47:09 atom spam from quickcoin@linuxlovers.at quickcoin@linuxlovers.at quick_coin19@jabber.sk jabservice@jabbim.com jabservise@xmpp.jp
09:47:54 Licaon_Kter atom, the 404 closed stream is not an issue, once a new message comes itwill be connected again
09:48:40 tom For some reason it dings me whenever you say atom
09:48:45 tom In psi-plus
09:49:35 Licaon_Kter "a_tom" "a tom" "ah tom"
09:49:54 atom lol
09:49:57 tom Oh
09:50:22 tom I guess psi-plus needs it's regex adjusted to account for words
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10:34:21 Licaon_Kter atom: report the spammers as per these instructions https://github.com/JabberSPAM/blacklist
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13:11:25 atom Ge0rG, I propose to add to the spam manifest the wording on blocking the accomplices of spam mailings. The true sources of spam are not servers sending out spam, but servers providing feedback to spammers. Example jabbim.com jabb.im etc
13:11:47 Licaon_Kter atom: feedback?
13:12:09 atom Licaon_Kter, jabservice@jabbim.com
13:12:17 atom spammer
13:12:40 Licaon_Kter What does "feedback" mean?
13:13:17 atom It is necessary to block the funding of spammers.
13:13:47 atom Licaon_Kter, contact for order spam mailing
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13:17:45 Licaon_Kter So when joespammer@spamm.im sends a spam message text "Buy cheap bitcoins and c1alis from atom@notspamme.rs" we should ban you too, right?
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14:30:08 atom Licaon_Kter, Let's follow the logic. If an account atom@notspamme.rs sells spam, then it agrees to sell spam.
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14:32:03 Martin atom: > The true sources of spam are not servers sending out spam, but servers providing feedback to spammers. Example jabbim.com jabb.im etc We should fight both. Report the spam to the sending server and jabbim as well.
14:33:57 Ge0rG atom: hot do you know whether a given account sells spam?
14:35:31 atom Ge0rG, jabservice@jabbim.com yes. the account and all server jabbim.com sell spam
14:37:03 Ge0rG atom: do you have evidence?
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14:42:43 atom Ge0rG, Let's come up with an even more telling name. sellspamjabberservice@jabbim.com Is your manifest designed to fight spam?
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14:44:15 Ge0rG atom: but where is the line? How do you ensure that you don't become a tool in some spammer's hands?
14:46:46 atom Ge0rG, Write an account jabservice@jabbim.com from a fake account and buy spam mailing. What are you fooling around. I don’t want to talk to you anymore.
14:47:50 Ge0rG atom: did you write them? Do you have a log that you want to publish? Do I consider you trustworthy enough not to fake logs?
14:50:06 atom Ge0rG, I gave you instructions on how to check this spammer or not. You don't want to check my evidence.
14:51:17 Ge0rG atom: I'm not responsible for jabbim. I reported the issue to them and they don't want to do anything about it
14:51:19 atom Ge0rG, Why is your anti-spam manifest necessary if it does not block spammers? Your manifest blocks spammers victims.
14:51:40 Ge0rG atom: it blocks abandoned servers
14:52:33 atom > Your manifest blocks spammers victims. >it blocks abandoned servers yep, yep, yep
14:53:03 Ge0rG atom: so I need to change the manifesto in a transparent way regarding sellers accounts.
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16:06:52 atom Ge0rG, I think it is necessary to improve the manifesto by including sanctions against the organizers of spam mailings and servers of accomplices. There is no other method of combating spam in the blocking context. If we want to block spam, we need to block spam funding. This is a classic practice used to block spam e-mail.
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16:10:30 Ge0rG atom: and we need a transparent approach to remain credible
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16:20:07 jonas’ atom, my experience with email spam blocking is that the senders are blocked, not the orchestrators
16:20:12 jonas’ or rather, what people *think* are the senders
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16:20:23 jonas’ speaking from experience of being caught in a /48 (!) ban
16:20:31 jonas’ speaking from experience of being caught in the crossfire a /48 (!) IPv6 ban
16:20:34 jonas’ speaking from experience of being caught in the crossfire of a /48 (!) IPv6 ban
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