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tom
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How can I read of a stdio device in linux as root without stealing the device from a session?
tom
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I know how to write to a standard device but not rad
tom
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Read
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It's like the kernel is flapping back and forth
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tom, if by stdio you mean tty, you cannot. one of the two readers will win for each byte
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learnt that the hard way
tom
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» <jonas’> tom, if by stdio you mean tty, you cannot. one of the two readers will win for each byte
yeah, that's what it seems like. Bytes flapping between process one and process 2 despite opening the file in non-exclusive mode
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Writing oddly works just fine though
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Is does not appear pseudoterminals behave the same way as hardware terminals
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they do
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I learnt that effect with hardware terminals
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ttyS0 or something
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I wonder if that's the same case across other unixes like BSD or solaris
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I would be surprised if not
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it would be extra work to implement it the way you expect it
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a lot of extra work
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and extra memory consumption
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possibly infinite
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I see
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I understand why
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I just think it's odd at a superficial sense that you can very easily attach read-only to a Xsession if you are authorized
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But realtime monitoring of a terminal session, that's off the table
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that’s because X was meant for multiple clients from the beginning
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Architecture wise I understand it
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terminals on the other hand were point-to-point
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Xbeing a server with clients
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