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21:22:39 tom How can I read of a stdio device in linux as root without stealing the device from a session?
21:22:52 tom I know how to write to a standard device but not rad
21:22:54 tom Read
21:25:15 tom It's like the kernel is flapping back and forth
21:26:17 jonas’ tom, if by stdio you mean tty, you cannot. one of the two readers will win for each byte
21:26:20 jonas’ learnt that the hard way
21:27:26 tom » <jonas’> tom, if by stdio you mean tty, you cannot. one of the two readers will win for each byte yeah, that's what it seems like. Bytes flapping between process one and process 2 despite opening the file in non-exclusive mode
21:27:39 tom Writing oddly works just fine though
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21:28:42 tom Is does not appear pseudoterminals behave the same way as hardware terminals
21:28:57 jonas’ they do
21:29:01 jonas’ I learnt that effect with hardware terminals
21:29:08 jonas’ ttyS0 or something
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21:35:20 tom I wonder if that's the same case across other unixes like BSD or solaris
21:38:25 jonas’ I would be surprised if not
21:38:32 jonas’ it would be extra work to implement it the way you expect it
21:38:35 jonas’ a lot of extra work
21:38:37 jonas’ and extra memory consumption
21:38:41 jonas’ possibly infinite
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21:44:17 tom I see
21:44:49 tom I understand why
21:45:22 tom I just think it's odd at a superficial sense that you can very easily attach read-only to a Xsession if you are authorized
21:45:37 tom But realtime monitoring of a terminal session, that's off the table
21:45:55 jonas’ that’s because X was meant for multiple clients from the beginning
21:45:57 tom Architecture wise I understand it
21:45:59 jonas’ terminals on the other hand were point-to-point
21:46:05 tom Xbeing a server with clients
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