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10:55:53 edhelas O_o
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11:11:41 Link Mauve I remember using that.
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12:20:18 edhelas so you can launch irssi within SSH over XMPP 🤔
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12:44:17 bowlofeggs and you could ssh to a machine to do that
12:44:35 bowlofeggs and you could set up an XMPP <--> IRC gateway somewhere in this puzzle as well
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13:22:43 edhelas 🤯
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16:04:45 mss_cyclist Does anyone know a good European privacy disclaimer template? If possible for the Netherlands. It is ridiculous what you need to cover...
16:06:00 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: https://wiki.xmpp.org/web/GDPR#Q1.2:_What_consequences_does_the_GDPR_has_for_the_XMPP_server_operators
16:10:07 mss_cyclist Ge0rG: top. I was not aware of this. It is a really good base. May I use this or do I have to give credits for it?
16:11:04 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: we developed it back in the day as a template for xmpp service operators
16:11:32 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: TBH, I wrote it for https://yaxim.org/yax.im/privacy/ and the it got templated
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16:15:58 mss_cyclist Ge0rG: Nice. May I use your privacy and tos as a template as well?
16:16:19 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: feel free. just remove my name from it ;)
16:16:37 mss_cyclist Ge0rG: Thanks
16:18:01 jonas’ insert obligatory "IANAL" here, Ge0rG
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16:18:13 mss_cyclist Do you need to provide a lust of data which you gather from users as well as a person responsible for processing that data in Germany?
16:18:17 Ge0rG that!
16:18:45 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: it depends on how good your lawyers are
16:19:03 mss_cyclist Haha
16:19:08 mss_cyclist Why that?
16:19:40 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: because GDPR is complicated and not easy to interpret
16:22:06 mss_cyclist Yeah. In the Dutch version of it they do mention this responsible person and a list which must be at hand immediately for the authorities. Wondering if this us part if the GDPR or if this is a Dutch speciality to make it even more difficult to offer a free XMPP service.
16:22:27 mss_cyclist s/us/is
16:22:41 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: I'm pretty sure it's based on the GDPR.
16:23:32 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: depending on how critical the data is and how much of it you hoard, you might or might not have to create "Records of processing activities"
16:24:18 mss_cyclist Ge0rG: So talking about plain standard xmpp server (ejabberd)
16:24:28 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: while I'm sure there is no strict legal need to outline all those things in the privacy policy, I consider it a good practice for a public xmpp service.
16:24:47 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: any standard xmpp server, yes
16:25:21 mss_cyclist There should be no critical data logged. Except for what the user willingly shares with other users by messaging.
16:25:32 jonas’ which could be quite critical :)
16:25:45 mss_cyclist Ge0rG: So, you have such a list?
16:25:54 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: it's right there in the template
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16:37:21 mss_cyclist Ge0rG: I did not mean this. More like this one (docx): https://www.dsgvo-verstehen-bayern.de/cms/upload/Downloads/Vereine/Verzeichnis-von-Verarbeitungstaetigkeiten_Stand_19.07.18.docx
16:37:55 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: I'm not going to open random malware
16:38:25 mss_cyclist Ge0rG: sorry. I was searching for this link: https://www.ldi.nrw.de/mainmenu_Datenschutz/submenu_Verzeichnis-Verarbeitungstaetigkeiten/Inhalt/Verarbeitungstaetigkeiten/Verarbeitungstaetigkeiten.html
16:38:39 mss_cyclist There are some pdf templates
16:39:09 mss_cyclist This is another dimension than these standard disclaimers I come across
16:40:01 Ge0rG mss_cyclist: hmm... right. Not sure how large the overlap is, and I'm currently not in a position to work on GDPR. Sorry
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16:41:41 mss_cyclist Ge0rG: No problem. We are no lawyers. I thought this is not only an issue for me, but for all European operators. So I was questioning myself wheater anyone else came across these additional documents which apparantly need to be kept track of.
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17:38:33 tom My prosody server keeps crashing
17:38:40 tom 11.4 linux
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17:38:54 tom No idea why. Nothing in logs
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17:39:22 Ellenor Malik Switch to another jabber server
17:39:32 tom Why?
17:39:57 tom I've changed logging level from info to debug
17:40:10 tom Hopefully if it happens it something will say some info
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17:45:36 tom I would like to find the cause before going though all the work of converting server
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17:54:19 jonas’ tom, check dmesg
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17:57:29 tom lua5.2[12433]: segfault at 307be564 ip 00005649bbfa4652 sp 00007fff00a11760 error 4 in lua5.2[5649bbf92000+31000]
17:57:48 tom I didn;t know Lua could segfault
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18:03:25 jonas’ tom, report that in xmpp:prosody@conference.prosody.im?joinM
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