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Martin
!contact mdosch.de
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Martin: Thanks for bringing in federation.info for discussion in this group! Comprehensible numerical values are very helpful for the argumentation (against "not enough user").
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Martin
*IM*: But those numbers will always only show a part of the ecosystem as it is opt-in and by now there is no ejabberd module for participating.
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*IM*
True I'm at your side - exactly that's what I always say: Show here; even this numbers are a minute fraction. And with numbers it's easier to argument (part of a letter):
```
Bevor die (Fehl-)Information "Es gibt nicht genügend Nutzer" kommt:
a) Es ist schwer, bei einem föderierten System eine genaue Nutzeranzahl
festzustellen. Dennoch bekommt man einen kleinen Einblick auf der
Seite https://the-federation.info/protocol/xmpp ...
... hier sind bei Jabber(XMPP) weit über 250.000 Chatkonten
schon bei den bisher ersten hier erfassten Serven aufgeführt.
Auch gibt Millionen die nicht wissen, dass sie Jabber(XMPP) nutzen:
www.freie-messenger.de/sys_xmpp/versteckte_anwendergruppen
```
The same with email: Nobody knows the existing email accounts because of federated system.
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*IM*
I'm looking for a list of closed systems based/using XMPP - like WhatsApp, Zoom, ...
So if you have Informations for me ... ?
09:50:58
Link Mauve
*IM*, https://xmpp.org/uses/ lists a few of them.
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*IM*
Sorry just found a typo in link:
https://www.freie-messenger.de/sys_xmpp/#versteckte-anwendergruppen
Here I direct to https://xmpp.org/usese/ too.
09:54:41
*IM*
But I'm sure there are more systems out there.
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