XMPP Service Operators - 2020-05-02

MattJ: i'm glad you think that way

Secure and private by default

Enable less secure options by opt-in only

But the more omemo gets deployed !!!sanely to spec!!! The less of a problem that should be

It's not just a some people care about privacy thing and some don't. That's important, but another thing is the liability of the host. With governments giving people gag orders and such and writing laws to give them unrestrained search and seizure powers, it's in the hoster's own interest not to retain any data or at least in a decryptable form that could be of any interest to someone else.

Where that is increases the payout and the value for someone to hack your server

Suggestions for XMPP server software?

.v thndrbvr

Hi tom

Hey thndrbvr

What's your avatar?

It's really low res hard to make out

It's a ninja beaver with a sword of sorts!

Cool

thndrbvr: it's hard to recommend something without any context or purpose

List of software installed or will be installed soon: https://thefreaks.club/p/2 Mainly need good support with GNU Social & Matrix w/ Jitsi integration

I'm a n00b at this sys admin stuff so something that's on the easier side to install & maintain is nice. Lol. Secure, up-to-date. Complete & true to specs. I've got a dedicated Ubuntu 18.04 LTS server.

Matrix is something completely different

And a huge ram hog while at the same time not a standard

Any XMPP server because it's a standard will work with any other client

Between to two most popular XMPP server implementations the question is really do you want to host ~1-1000 users, or do you want to host 10,000-100,000,000 users

I do hope in several years there will be hundreds of thousands of TFC members :)

Jitsi is XMPP. Not sure how the video conferencing part of Matrix comes into play here.

Also, I've got a guy helping (okay, doing all the actual work) me set up a single sign on + MFA.

Matrix (well, Riot - I don't know how many other clients support it) just embeds Jitsi in an iframe in the page

Their mobile app uses the Jitsi SDK now I believe, so it has a little neater integration. But yes, it's XMPP behind :)

Only other use case I was thinking of would be some sort of ticketing / help desk thing. I saw something the other day that had a web chat that used XMPP. Can't recall which at the moment. Not sure exactly what I want to do here but I expect in the future this will be necessary and I'd rather have it from the start ;)

I've seen multiple web-browser based xmpp client embeds

But i never put much thought into them

I try not to use things that are shoehorned into a web browser

But

Yeah..

I'm sure a search for "xmpp html5" would turn up some relevant results

It was more of "oh hey, that's a cool idea." kind of thing when I saw it lol

I used to work in that area, a number of those things are XMPP-based (notably Olark)

Most are poor homegrown protocols by people who never designed protocols before

:(

I'm not sure what FOSS choices are available

I wrote a basic one years ago

Converse.js may support being used this way, not sure

I'm taking a peek at what Softaculous has. Got a shared web host I use to test out a couple things. When I first started this project/community/business it wasn't quite as complex as it's striving to be now. After I realized I needed root access and all, I got a real server in Iceland.

Sounds like you might want to hire a sysadmin

*nix/BSD knowledge is kind of a prerequisite to hosting a communications server

Hey I installed Gentiles and Arch a decade or more ago all by myself. Full DE, wifi, and video card drivers even. Lol

Gentoo *

Anyway, thoughts on and experiences with Metronome IM?

thndrbvr: It's a fork of Prosody by Maranda here. I work on Prosody, Maranda works on Metronome. Ask us anything but which one is better ;)

Lol hey! And I think I just saw you guys updating your git a few hours ago -- impressive.

Quite possible. Except we don't use git, but Mercurial :)

thndrbvr, could have been me, I'm conjuring up some stuff related to YuNoHost feature requests.

which reminds me, anyone knows if Jitsi Meet actually uses MAM in anyway?

not as far as I know

it seems to only use plain ol’ MUC history

jonas’, thanks, I seen some controversial things in configuration files (which I had to correct by the way) and I wondered.