XMPP Service Operators - 2020-05-02

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  117. tom MattJ: i'm glad you think that way
  118. tom Secure and private by default
  119. tom Enable less secure options by opt-in only
  120. tom But the more omemo gets deployed !!!sanely to spec!!! The less of a problem that should be
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  123. tom It's not just a some people care about privacy thing and some don't. That's important, but another thing is the liability of the host. With governments giving people gag orders and such and writing laws to give them unrestrained search and seizure powers, it's in the hoster's own interest not to retain any data or at least in a decryptable form that could be of any interest to someone else.
  124. tom Where that is increases the payout and the value for someone to hack your server
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  126. thndrbvr Suggestions for XMPP server software?
  127. tom .v thndrbvr
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  134. thndrbvr Hi tom
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  136. tom Hey thndrbvr
  137. tom What's your avatar?
  138. tom It's really low res hard to make out
  139. thndrbvr It's a ninja beaver with a sword of sorts!
  140. tom Cool
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  142. tom thndrbvr: it's hard to recommend something without any context or purpose
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  147. thndrbvr List of software installed or will be installed soon: https://thefreaks.club/p/2 Mainly need good support with GNU Social & Matrix w/ Jitsi integration
  148. thndrbvr I'm a n00b at this sys admin stuff so something that's on the easier side to install & maintain is nice. Lol. Secure, up-to-date. Complete & true to specs. I've got a dedicated Ubuntu 18.04 LTS server.
  149. tom Matrix is something completely different
  150. tom And a huge ram hog while at the same time not a standard
  151. tom Any XMPP server because it's a standard will work with any other client
  152. tom Between to two most popular XMPP server implementations the question is really do you want to host ~1-1000 users, or do you want to host 10,000-100,000,000 users
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  156. thndrbvr I do hope in several years there will be hundreds of thousands of TFC members :)
  157. thndrbvr Jitsi is XMPP. Not sure how the video conferencing part of Matrix comes into play here.
  158. thndrbvr Also, I've got a guy helping (okay, doing all the actual work) me set up a single sign on + MFA.
  159. MattJ Matrix (well, Riot - I don't know how many other clients support it) just embeds Jitsi in an iframe in the page
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  164. MattJ Their mobile app uses the Jitsi SDK now I believe, so it has a little neater integration. But yes, it's XMPP behind :)
  165. thndrbvr Only other use case I was thinking of would be some sort of ticketing / help desk thing. I saw something the other day that had a web chat that used XMPP. Can't recall which at the moment. Not sure exactly what I want to do here but I expect in the future this will be necessary and I'd rather have it from the start ;)
  166. tom I've seen multiple web-browser based xmpp client embeds
  167. tom But i never put much thought into them
  168. tom I try not to use things that are shoehorned into a web browser
  169. tom But
  170. thndrbvr Yeah..
  171. tom I'm sure a search for "xmpp html5" would turn up some relevant results
  172. thndrbvr It was more of "oh hey, that's a cool idea." kind of thing when I saw it lol
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  175. MattJ I used to work in that area, a number of those things are XMPP-based (notably Olark)
  176. MattJ Most are poor homegrown protocols by people who never designed protocols before
  177. thndrbvr :(
  178. MattJ I'm not sure what FOSS choices are available
  179. MattJ I wrote a basic one years ago
  180. MattJ Converse.js may support being used this way, not sure
  181. thndrbvr I'm taking a peek at what Softaculous has. Got a shared web host I use to test out a couple things. When I first started this project/community/business it wasn't quite as complex as it's striving to be now. After I realized I needed root access and all, I got a real server in Iceland.
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  185. tom Sounds like you might want to hire a sysadmin
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  188. tom *nix/BSD knowledge is kind of a prerequisite to hosting a communications server
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  190. thndrbvr Hey I installed Gentiles and Arch a decade or more ago all by myself. Full DE, wifi, and video card drivers even. Lol
  191. thndrbvr Gentoo *
  192. thndrbvr Anyway, thoughts on and experiences with Metronome IM?
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  220. MattJ thndrbvr: It's a fork of Prosody by Maranda here. I work on Prosody, Maranda works on Metronome. Ask us anything but which one is better ;)
  221. thndrbvr Lol hey! And I think I just saw you guys updating your git a few hours ago -- impressive.
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  228. MattJ Quite possible. Except we don't use git, but Mercurial :)
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  372. Maranda thndrbvr, could have been me, I'm conjuring up some stuff related to YuNoHost feature requests.
  373. Maranda which reminds me, anyone knows if Jitsi Meet actually uses MAM in anyway?
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  375. jonas’ not as far as I know
  376. jonas’ it seems to only use plain ol’ MUC history
  377. Maranda jonas’, thanks, I seen some controversial things in configuration files (which I had to correct by the way) and I wondered.
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