XMPP Service Operators

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10:08:35 mehdi Hi people, xmpp noob here. Is it too hard/time consuming to operate a reliable server for personal semi-public use in Germany? Are there legal consequences? thanks
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10:26:30 Licaon_Kter mehdi: semipublic?
10:26:59 mehdi ok, public. But I mean open to friends and family
10:30:01 mehdi I would also happily host a public node if I'm not responsible for users. hence the legal question
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10:37:37 Florian Aldehoff mehdi: I'm running mine for family only (no self-registration) without problems. Once the server is up and running I'd recommend reducing log verbosity and take additional steps to collect as little data as possible. I haven't heard of any requests for disclosure but in the unlikely event it is always best if there's nothing to disclose in the first place.
10:38:31 Florian Aldehoff In German: "Wo ein Trog ist, da kommen die Schweine." 😉
10:39:50 mehdi Florian Aldehoff: haha, thanks! Not interested in Trog at all :)
10:40:47 Florian Aldehoff I find https://www.kuketz-blog.de/ejabberd-installation-und-betrieb-eines-xmpp-servers/ a helpful guide.
10:43:48 mehdi Bookmarked. Perhaps I'll ask over now questions now that's you're so kind to reply. How does xmpp compare to matrix? Recently I see matrix replacing irc, and I'm somewhat confused about these two.
10:44:31 mehdi sorry for the typos, blame autocomplete!
10:46:29 Florian Aldehoff Personally, I have no experience with Matrix. I've heard complaints that it can be very resource hungry compared to e.g. ejabberd. I guess the big advantage is the existing iOS client. Maybe someone else can chime in on that?
10:47:01 Licaon_Kter mehdi: for family and friends without free registration means private, not public That being said, you kinda trust your users so that's easier.
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10:49:39 Licaon_Kter Regarding matrix, not sure you can cram 80 users on a Raspberry Pi 1 w/ 256Mb like you do with ejabberd. ;)
10:51:18 mehdi Licaon_Kter: good to know that, thanks! I'll probably use a Hetzner vm though.
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10:52:21 Licaon_Kter Then your walled is your limit :))
10:52:42 mehdi :D
10:53:03 Licaon_Kter Then your wallet is your limit :))
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22:01:46 thndrbvr mehdi, If you're using a VPS, why not just find one hosted in Iceland or Switzerland? Or, really, any country that's not a part of the 14 eyes that'll accept your payment method.
22:02:51 thndrbvr Also, matrix-synapse is pretty awesome too.
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22:35:56 Ellenor Malik IRC will never be fully replaced. Matrix is too resource-intensive, for one, and for two, there'll always be a diehard core of IRCers
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23:30:59 thndrbvr I'm not sure why XMPP hasn't taken over aside from having to say "pp". 🤣 maybe just better web mucs?
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23:37:35 rom1dep > I'm not sure why XMPP hasn't taken over Because people use what other people use, and some people invested billions into making sure people use their thing and not something else 🙂
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