XMPP Service Operators - 2020-09-16

hah, mine will be 5 years in couple of days.

I did not know that there are MUCs for Operators, this is nice :)

Hello antranigv =)

Ugh why is it that we have amazing servers but very fragmented clients? Still not able to have a good client on macOS and iOS

Hello @tom :)

Because Apple wouldn't want to have anything compete with facetime on their iphones

Now I’m trying SisinkIM and BeagleIM. Also will migrate from prosody to ejabberd this weekend because erlang

Apple controls which programs users are allowed to install

Hahaha true

Through an 'app store'

Also they don’t allow persistent TCP connections

And on top of this, all these restrictions make the platform unattractive to developers

I should just leave the Apple ecosystem and go to PinePhone 😇

Probably

Is there a list of XMPP servers these days? or a mailing list?

ah right, xmpp.net

There's also compliance.conversations.im

I got the domain xmpp.fund, thinking to do some fundraising and pay developers to add features into servers and clients.

And https://search.jabber.network

never had the time to setup a donation / matching system tho

antranigv: there is currently a $2500 bug bounty to add message carbon support to Psi+

wooah that one is nice!

but...

message carbons exist on Psi+ :D

They do?

I used them today, yea

Maybe I'm not thinking of the right thing then

when I send a message on my iPhone, I see it on Psi+

In private chats too?

I moved away from Psi+ because there is no HTTP upload, but BeagleIM is not understanding that my server has it. I need to see what's happening, hmm

tom, yup!

Well

Psi+ has http-upload now

If you want to try it again

there is?

Yes

https://upload.nuegia.net/2187f2bb-3db8-4e92-90da-8f1f283f5bc7/Be%20Quiet%20-%20BALEK%20-%2002%20Ichor.flac

tom, you on macOS? or just Psi+?

No I'm using Linux and BSD

ugh, I need to move back to FreeBSD laptop :(

Why did you move off?

CEO-related work apps :/ GoToMeeting, Zoom, PDF editing, etc

also: I had an iPhone anyway

but now I'm thinking to move away

I miss having a real Unix system

tom: may I ask on which version are you on?

Psi+ v1.4.1490 (2020-09-02, Psi:55b4b433, Psi+:2170e90)

Just download and compile the master version

doing it now

There's no point in running an older version, and if you have problems just go to the Psi+ muc and they are pretty responsive to bugreports

somehow the latest version for macOS is 1.4.1472

I wouldn't know

I'll just wait couple of days

tom: so which server do you operate?

Nuegia.net

wait I know that server

oh yeaa, you texted me saying my server was sending spam

:D

Thanks for fixing that promptly

> antranigv wrote: > I should just leave the Apple ecosystem and go to PinePhone 😇 Or a Purism Librem 5. I'm waiting for mine to arrive.

What operating system does it run?

PureOS which is built on Debian.

I was thinking about getting PinePhone and trying to port a BSD system there (FreeBSD ideally) with a nice GUI like Gnome or something similar

The USA edition is pricey but, it's worth it. Keep jobs here, less fossil fuels burned because things don't need to be shipped across the planet, and it's as safe as trusting Purism can be ;) Plus, they have payment plans available.

But I think Sailfish is the winner in the open source mobile OS GUI. They’ve done an amazing job.

Isn't that one not really libre though? I heard it was filled with proprietary blobs.

It has blobs but you can disable them.

Is there a fork/version with those disabled before loading it onto a device?

I would never spend more than 120 dollars on a phone

tom: what device do you have?

Thinkpad

thndrbvr: not as far as I know.

tom: I mean a mobile device :D

Thinkpad!

Hahaha

X230?

T430 modified

Nice

It's got a cellular modem in it

I have an X230 but never actually used it because the screen was garbage

What I really want is a T60, but with a modern efficient arrch64 cpu

And 3d-printable batteries

tom: you can call phone number on it?

Yes

With twinklephone

On any internet connected device

It's just SIP

It support MMS?

MMS?

SMS for pictures

If someone want's to text message me I'd really prefer they used XMPP or email

So if you go outside you carry that laptop and put it next to your ear?

No I set it on my lap

> tom wrote: > I would never spend more than 120 dollars on a phone Phone or handheld computer that handles cellular calls?

Can't really interact well with something that doesn't have a keyboard

And most phones can't even run Linux

Besides some pocket PCs running NetBSD from the 90s

Just do to their interface makes them more useful to me

They do, it's just more of an AOSP + Linux rather than GNU + Linux

tom, I mean you can always get a Nokia N900 :)

I second the non-usage of SMS.

That looks painful to type on

And fragile

Do you remember the palm pilot

That came with a real, foldable, mechanical keyboard that you could type on without having to bend your fingers back in pain?

There was even PCDOS pocketpcs

With a dot matrix LCD display

Nowadays we have e-ink displays. I'd love to have a simple vtty on a LCD or eink

With a wide enough foldable mech keyboard, running generic Linux or BSD not some special patched up binary blob version

And a C compiler

With cellular and/or LoRaWAN

Totally off topic now but did you see the colored e-ink screen? Remarkable has a fairly nice e-ink tablet. I wish Purism would make one...

And a headphone jack

I'd totally pay a decent amount for something like that

But regarding a phone, you gotta at least do better than a Nokia 3310 before I pay more than a Nokia 3310

That's not a hard bar to pass. 30 years of techical improvements and cost reduction, no phone company can make a modern 3310

Same. I picked up a 5-10 year old Kobold for $20 recently. It's basic but it does the trick. Pining for something more capable but I'm afraid it'll be a while if I want something libre and not Android based.

thndrbvr: I saw tri-color e-ink.

As in black, white, red, and every shade inbetween via dithering

Tricolor would be good for a vim terminal

And Profanity

For sure.

Right now, you'd be hard pressed to find anything on the market that resembles a cellphone that you can actually program and doesn't spy on you every chance it gets

Someonme make a modern Libretto M3 https://upload.nuegia.net/377d6685-8f0e-437a-9f70-0a758185bc07/lib50b.jpg

tom, thndrbvr, antranigv: could you get....a room?

iirc there is an open hardware channel around

xmpp:openhardware@conference.magicbroccoli.de?join

Thankyou

Teat

Test

stvn: nope ;)

Oh...message from yesterday...but appears today...strange

Licaon_Kter: server was down yesterday