XMPP Service Operators - 2020-09-16


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  38. antranigv hah, mine will be 5 years in couple of days.
  39. antranigv I did not know that there are MUCs for Operators, this is nice :)
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  47. tom Hello antranigv =)
  48. antranigv Ugh why is it that we have amazing servers but very fragmented clients? Still not able to have a good client on macOS and iOS
  49. antranigv Hello @tom :)
  50. tom Because Apple wouldn't want to have anything compete with facetime on their iphones
  51. antranigv Now I’m trying SisinkIM and BeagleIM. Also will migrate from prosody to ejabberd this weekend because erlang
  52. tom Apple controls which programs users are allowed to install
  53. antranigv Hahaha true
  54. tom Through an 'app store'
  55. antranigv Also they don’t allow persistent TCP connections
  56. tom And on top of this, all these restrictions make the platform unattractive to developers
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  59. antranigv I should just leave the Apple ecosystem and go to PinePhone 😇
  60. tom Probably
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  63. antranigv Is there a list of XMPP servers these days? or a mailing list?
  64. antranigv ah right, xmpp.net
  65. tom There's also compliance.conversations.im
  66. antranigv I got the domain xmpp.fund, thinking to do some fundraising and pay developers to add features into servers and clients.
  67. tom And https://search.jabber.network
  68. antranigv never had the time to setup a donation / matching system tho
  69. tom antranigv: there is currently a $2500 bug bounty to add message carbon support to Psi+
  70. antranigv wooah that one is nice!
  71. antranigv but...
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  73. antranigv message carbons exist on Psi+ :D
  74. tom They do?
  75. antranigv I used them today, yea
  76. tom Maybe I'm not thinking of the right thing then
  77. antranigv when I send a message on my iPhone, I see it on Psi+
  78. tom In private chats too?
  79. antranigv I moved away from Psi+ because there is no HTTP upload, but BeagleIM is not understanding that my server has it. I need to see what's happening, hmm
  80. antranigv tom, yup!
  81. tom Well
  82. tom Psi+ has http-upload now
  83. tom If you want to try it again
  84. antranigv there is?
  85. tom Yes
  86. antranigv downloads the new version
  87. tom https://upload.nuegia.net/2187f2bb-3db8-4e92-90da-8f1f283f5bc7/Be%20Quiet%20-%20BALEK%20-%2002%20Ichor.flac
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  89. antranigv Be right back.
  90. antranigv tom, you on macOS? or just Psi+?
  91. tom No I'm using Linux and BSD
  92. antranigv ugh, I need to move back to FreeBSD laptop :(
  93. tom Why did you move off?
  94. antranigv CEO-related work apps :/ GoToMeeting, Zoom, PDF editing, etc
  95. antranigv also: I had an iPhone anyway
  96. antranigv but now I'm thinking to move away
  97. antranigv I miss having a real Unix system
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  100. antranigv tom: may I ask on which version are you on?
  101. tom Psi+ v1.4.1490 (2020-09-02, Psi:55b4b433, Psi+:2170e90)
  102. tom Just download and compile the master version
  103. antranigv doing it now
  104. tom There's no point in running an older version, and if you have problems just go to the Psi+ muc and they are pretty responsive to bugreports
  105. antranigv somehow the latest version for macOS is 1.4.1472
  106. tom I wouldn't know
  107. antranigv I'll just wait couple of days
  108. antranigv tom: so which server do you operate?
  109. tom Nuegia.net
  110. antranigv wait I know that server
  111. antranigv oh yeaa, you texted me saying my server was sending spam
  112. antranigv :D
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  114. tom Thanks for fixing that promptly
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  121. thndrbvr > antranigv wrote: > I should just leave the Apple ecosystem and go to PinePhone 😇 Or a Purism Librem 5. I'm waiting for mine to arrive.
  122. antranigv What operating system does it run?
  123. thndrbvr PureOS which is built on Debian.
  124. antranigv I was thinking about getting PinePhone and trying to port a BSD system there (FreeBSD ideally) with a nice GUI like Gnome or something similar
  125. thndrbvr The USA edition is pricey but, it's worth it. Keep jobs here, less fossil fuels burned because things don't need to be shipped across the planet, and it's as safe as trusting Purism can be ;) Plus, they have payment plans available.
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  128. antranigv But I think Sailfish is the winner in the open source mobile OS GUI. They’ve done an amazing job.
  129. thndrbvr Isn't that one not really libre though? I heard it was filled with proprietary blobs.
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  132. antranigv It has blobs but you can disable them.
  133. thndrbvr Is there a fork/version with those disabled before loading it onto a device?
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  148. tom I would never spend more than 120 dollars on a phone
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  152. antranigv tom: what device do you have?
  153. tom Thinkpad
  154. antranigv thndrbvr: not as far as I know.
  155. antranigv tom: I mean a mobile device :D
  156. tom Thinkpad!
  157. antranigv Hahaha
  158. antranigv X230?
  159. tom T430 modified
  160. antranigv Nice
  161. tom It's got a cellular modem in it
  162. tom I have an X230 but never actually used it because the screen was garbage
  163. tom What I really want is a T60, but with a modern efficient arrch64 cpu
  164. tom And 3d-printable batteries
  165. arthurs5 tom: you can call phone number on it?
  166. tom Yes
  167. tom With twinklephone
  168. tom On any internet connected device
  169. tom It's just SIP
  170. arthurs5 It support MMS?
  171. tom MMS?
  172. arthurs5 SMS for pictures
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  174. tom If someone want's to text message me I'd really prefer they used XMPP or email
  175. arthurs5 So if you go outside you carry that laptop and put it next to your ear?
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  177. tom No I set it on my lap
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  207. thndrbvr > tom wrote: > I would never spend more than 120 dollars on a phone Phone or handheld computer that handles cellular calls?
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  210. tom Can't really interact well with something that doesn't have a keyboard
  211. tom And most phones can't even run Linux
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  213. tom Besides some pocket PCs running NetBSD from the 90s
  214. tom Just do to their interface makes them more useful to me
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  216. thndrbvr They do, it's just more of an AOSP + Linux rather than GNU + Linux
  217. antranigv tom, I mean you can always get a Nokia N900 :)
  218. thndrbvr I second the non-usage of SMS.
  219. tom That looks painful to type on
  220. tom And fragile
  221. tom Do you remember the palm pilot
  222. tom That came with a real, foldable, mechanical keyboard that you could type on without having to bend your fingers back in pain?
  223. tom There was even PCDOS pocketpcs
  224. tom With a dot matrix LCD display
  225. tom Nowadays we have e-ink displays. I'd love to have a simple vtty on a LCD or eink
  226. tom With a wide enough foldable mech keyboard, running generic Linux or BSD not some special patched up binary blob version
  227. tom And a C compiler
  228. tom With cellular and/or LoRaWAN
  229. thndrbvr Totally off topic now but did you see the colored e-ink screen? Remarkable has a fairly nice e-ink tablet. I wish Purism would make one...
  230. tom And a headphone jack
  231. tom I'd totally pay a decent amount for something like that
  232. tom But regarding a phone, you gotta at least do better than a Nokia 3310 before I pay more than a Nokia 3310
  233. tom That's not a hard bar to pass. 30 years of techical improvements and cost reduction, no phone company can make a modern 3310
  234. thndrbvr Same. I picked up a 5-10 year old Kobold for $20 recently. It's basic but it does the trick. Pining for something more capable but I'm afraid it'll be a while if I want something libre and not Android based.
  235. tom thndrbvr: I saw tri-color e-ink.
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  237. tom As in black, white, red, and every shade inbetween via dithering
  238. tom Tricolor would be good for a vim terminal
  239. tom And Profanity
  240. thndrbvr For sure.
  241. tom Right now, you'd be hard pressed to find anything on the market that resembles a cellphone that you can actually program and doesn't spy on you every chance it gets
  242. tom Someonme make a modern Libretto M3 https://upload.nuegia.net/377d6685-8f0e-437a-9f70-0a758185bc07/lib50b.jpg
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  245. Licaon_Kter tom, thndrbvr, antranigv: could you get....a room?
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  298. MattJ iirc there is an open hardware channel around
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  311. tom Thankyou
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  331. Licaon_Kter stvn: nope ;)
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  333. Licaon_Kter Oh...message from yesterday...but appears today...strange
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  513. stvn Licaon_Kter: server was down yesterday
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