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hah, mine will be 5 years in couple of days.
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I did not know that there are MUCs for Operators, this is nice :)
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Hello antranigv =)
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Ugh why is it that we have amazing servers but very fragmented clients? Still not able to have a good client on macOS and iOS
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Hello @tom :)
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Because Apple wouldn't want to have anything compete with facetime on their iphones
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Now I’m trying SisinkIM and BeagleIM. Also will migrate from prosody to ejabberd this weekend because erlang
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Apple controls which programs users are allowed to install
antranigv
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Hahaha true
tom
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Through an 'app store'
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Also they don’t allow persistent TCP connections
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And on top of this, all these restrictions make the platform unattractive to developers
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I should just leave the Apple ecosystem and go to PinePhone 😇
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Probably
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Is there a list of XMPP servers these days? or a mailing list?
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ah right, xmpp.net
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There's also compliance.conversations.im
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I got the domain xmpp.fund, thinking to do some fundraising and pay developers to add features into servers and clients.
tom
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And https://search.jabber.network
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never had the time to setup a donation / matching system tho
tom
02:00:42
antranigv: there is currently a $2500 bug bounty to add message carbon support to Psi+
antranigv
02:00:43
wooah that one is nice!
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but...
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message carbons exist on Psi+ :D
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They do?
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I used them today, yea
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Maybe I'm not thinking of the right thing then
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when I send a message on my iPhone, I see it on Psi+
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In private chats too?
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I moved away from Psi+ because there is no HTTP upload, but BeagleIM is not understanding that my server has it. I need to see what's happening, hmm
antranigv
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tom, yup!
tom
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Well
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Psi+ has http-upload now
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02:02:30
If you want to try it again
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there is?
tom
02:02:33
Yes
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tom
02:02:46
https://upload.nuegia.net/2187f2bb-3db8-4e92-90da-8f1f283f5bc7/Be%20Quiet%20-%20BALEK%20-%2002%20Ichor.flac
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Be right back.
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tom, you on macOS? or just Psi+?
tom
02:03:25
No I'm using Linux and BSD
antranigv
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ugh, I need to move back to FreeBSD laptop :(
tom
02:03:48
Why did you move off?
antranigv
02:04:17
CEO-related work apps :/ GoToMeeting, Zoom, PDF editing, etc
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02:04:24
also: I had an iPhone anyway
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but now I'm thinking to move away
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I miss having a real Unix system
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tom: may I ask on which version are you on?
tom
02:06:02
Psi+ v1.4.1490 (2020-09-02, Psi:55b4b433, Psi+:2170e90)
tom
02:06:19
Just download and compile the master version
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doing it now
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02:06:55
There's no point in running an older version, and if you have problems just go to the Psi+ muc and they are pretty responsive to bugreports
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somehow the latest version for macOS is 1.4.1472
tom
02:08:13
I wouldn't know
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I'll just wait couple of days
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tom: so which server do you operate?
tom
02:08:34
Nuegia.net
antranigv
02:08:50
wait I know that server
antranigv
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oh yeaa, you texted me saying my server was sending spam
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:D
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Thanks for fixing that promptly
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thndrbvr
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> antranigv wrote:
> I should just leave the Apple ecosystem and go to PinePhone 😇
Or a Purism Librem 5. I'm waiting for mine to arrive.
antranigv
02:24:27
What operating system does it run?
thndrbvr
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PureOS which is built on Debian.
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I was thinking about getting PinePhone and trying to port a BSD system there (FreeBSD ideally) with a nice GUI like Gnome or something similar
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The USA edition is pricey but, it's worth it. Keep jobs here, less fossil fuels burned because things don't need to be shipped across the planet, and it's as safe as trusting Purism can be ;) Plus, they have payment plans available.
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But I think Sailfish is the winner in the open source mobile OS GUI. They’ve done an amazing job.
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Isn't that one not really libre though? I heard it was filled with proprietary blobs.
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It has blobs but you can disable them.
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Is there a fork/version with those disabled before loading it onto a device?
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tom
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I would never spend more than 120 dollars on a phone
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tom: what device do you have?
tom
03:30:00
Thinkpad
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thndrbvr: not as far as I know.
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tom: I mean a mobile device :D
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Thinkpad!
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Hahaha
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X230?
tom
03:30:44
T430 modified
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Nice
tom
03:30:52
It's got a cellular modem in it
tom
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I have an X230 but never actually used it because the screen was garbage
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What I really want is a T60, but with a modern efficient arrch64 cpu
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And 3d-printable batteries
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tom: you can call phone number on it?
tom
03:35:02
Yes
tom
03:35:11
With twinklephone
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On any internet connected device
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03:35:21
It's just SIP
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It support MMS?
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MMS?
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SMS for pictures
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If someone want's to text message me I'd really prefer they used XMPP or email
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So if you go outside you carry that laptop and put it next to your ear?
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tom
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No I set it on my lap
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thndrbvr
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> tom wrote:
> I would never spend more than 120 dollars on a phone
Phone or handheld computer that handles cellular calls?
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Can't really interact well with something that doesn't have a keyboard
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And most phones can't even run Linux
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Besides some pocket PCs running NetBSD from the 90s
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Just do to their interface makes them more useful to me
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They do, it's just more of an AOSP + Linux rather than GNU + Linux
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tom, I mean you can always get a Nokia N900 :)
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I second the non-usage of SMS.
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That looks painful to type on
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And fragile
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Do you remember the palm pilot
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That came with a real, foldable, mechanical keyboard that you could type on without having to bend your fingers back in pain?
tom
05:04:53
There was even PCDOS pocketpcs
tom
05:05:00
With a dot matrix LCD display
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05:05:45
Nowadays we have e-ink displays. I'd love to have a simple vtty on a LCD or eink
tom
05:06:27
With a wide enough foldable mech keyboard, running generic Linux or BSD not some special patched up binary blob version
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And a C compiler
tom
05:06:46
With cellular and/or LoRaWAN
thndrbvr
05:06:55
Totally off topic now but did you see the colored e-ink screen? Remarkable has a fairly nice e-ink tablet. I wish Purism would make one...
tom
05:06:55
And a headphone jack
tom
05:07:13
I'd totally pay a decent amount for something like that
tom
05:07:41
But regarding a phone, you gotta at least do better than a Nokia 3310 before I pay more than a Nokia 3310
tom
05:08:14
That's not a hard bar to pass. 30 years of techical improvements and cost reduction, no phone company can make a modern 3310
thndrbvr
05:08:25
Same. I picked up a 5-10 year old Kobold for $20 recently. It's basic but it does the trick. Pining for something more capable but I'm afraid it'll be a while if I want something libre and not Android based.
tom
05:08:45
thndrbvr: I saw tri-color e-ink.
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tom
05:09:00
As in black, white, red, and every shade inbetween via dithering
tom
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Tricolor would be good for a vim terminal
tom
05:09:16
And Profanity
thndrbvr
05:09:40
For sure.
tom
05:10:25
Right now, you'd be hard pressed to find anything on the market that resembles a cellphone that you can actually program and doesn't spy on you every chance it gets
tom
05:13:35
Someonme make a modern Libretto M3 https://upload.nuegia.net/377d6685-8f0e-437a-9f70-0a758185bc07/lib50b.jpg
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tom, thndrbvr, antranigv: could you get....a room?
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Thankyou
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Teat
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Test
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stvn: nope ;)
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Oh...message from yesterday...but appears today...strange
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