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antranigv
hah, mine will be 5 years in couple of days.
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I did not know that there are MUCs for Operators, this is nice :)
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tom
Hello antranigv =)
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antranigv
Ugh why is it that we have amazing servers but very fragmented clients? Still not able to have a good client on macOS and iOS
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antranigv
Hello @tom :)
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tom
Because Apple wouldn't want to have anything compete with facetime on their iphones
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antranigv
Now I’m trying SisinkIM and BeagleIM. Also will migrate from prosody to ejabberd this weekend because erlang
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tom
Apple controls which programs users are allowed to install
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antranigv
Hahaha true
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tom
Through an 'app store'
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antranigv
Also they don’t allow persistent TCP connections
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And on top of this, all these restrictions make the platform unattractive to developers
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antranigv
I should just leave the Apple ecosystem and go to PinePhone 😇
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tom
Probably
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Is there a list of XMPP servers these days? or a mailing list?
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ah right, xmpp.net
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tom
There's also compliance.conversations.im
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I got the domain xmpp.fund, thinking to do some fundraising and pay developers to add features into servers and clients.
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tom
And https://search.jabber.network
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antranigv
never had the time to setup a donation / matching system tho
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tom
antranigv: there is currently a $2500 bug bounty to add message carbon support to Psi+
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antranigv
wooah that one is nice!
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antranigv
but...
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antranigv
message carbons exist on Psi+ :D
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tom
They do?
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antranigv
I used them today, yea
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tom
Maybe I'm not thinking of the right thing then
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antranigv
when I send a message on my iPhone, I see it on Psi+
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tom
In private chats too?
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antranigv
I moved away from Psi+ because there is no HTTP upload, but BeagleIM is not understanding that my server has it. I need to see what's happening, hmm
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antranigv
tom, yup!
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tom
Well
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tom
Psi+ has http-upload now
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tom
If you want to try it again
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antranigv
there is?
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tom
Yes
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downloads the new version
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tom
https://upload.nuegia.net/2187f2bb-3db8-4e92-90da-8f1f283f5bc7/Be%20Quiet%20-%20BALEK%20-%2002%20Ichor.flac
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Be right back.
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tom, you on macOS? or just Psi+?
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tom
No I'm using Linux and BSD
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antranigv
ugh, I need to move back to FreeBSD laptop :(
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tom
Why did you move off?
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antranigv
CEO-related work apps :/ GoToMeeting, Zoom, PDF editing, etc
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antranigv
also: I had an iPhone anyway
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but now I'm thinking to move away
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I miss having a real Unix system
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tom: may I ask on which version are you on?
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tom
Psi+ v1.4.1490 (2020-09-02, Psi:55b4b433, Psi+:2170e90)
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tom
Just download and compile the master version
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antranigv
doing it now
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tom
There's no point in running an older version, and if you have problems just go to the Psi+ muc and they are pretty responsive to bugreports
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antranigv
somehow the latest version for macOS is 1.4.1472
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tom
I wouldn't know
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I'll just wait couple of days
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antranigv
tom: so which server do you operate?
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tom
Nuegia.net
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antranigv
wait I know that server
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antranigv
oh yeaa, you texted me saying my server was sending spam
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antranigv
:D
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tom
Thanks for fixing that promptly
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thndrbvr
> antranigv wrote:
> I should just leave the Apple ecosystem and go to PinePhone 😇
Or a Purism Librem 5. I'm waiting for mine to arrive.
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antranigv
What operating system does it run?
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thndrbvr
PureOS which is built on Debian.
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antranigv
I was thinking about getting PinePhone and trying to port a BSD system there (FreeBSD ideally) with a nice GUI like Gnome or something similar
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thndrbvr
The USA edition is pricey but, it's worth it. Keep jobs here, less fossil fuels burned because things don't need to be shipped across the planet, and it's as safe as trusting Purism can be ;) Plus, they have payment plans available.
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antranigv
But I think Sailfish is the winner in the open source mobile OS GUI. They’ve done an amazing job.
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thndrbvr
Isn't that one not really libre though? I heard it was filled with proprietary blobs.
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antranigv
It has blobs but you can disable them.
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Is there a fork/version with those disabled before loading it onto a device?
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tom
I would never spend more than 120 dollars on a phone
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antranigv
tom: what device do you have?
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tom
Thinkpad
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thndrbvr: not as far as I know.
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tom: I mean a mobile device :D
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tom
Thinkpad!
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antranigv
Hahaha
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X230?
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tom
T430 modified
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antranigv
Nice
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tom
It's got a cellular modem in it
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tom
I have an X230 but never actually used it because the screen was garbage
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tom
What I really want is a T60, but with a modern efficient arrch64 cpu
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And 3d-printable batteries
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tom: you can call phone number on it?
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tom
Yes
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tom
With twinklephone
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tom
On any internet connected device
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tom
It's just SIP
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arthurs5
It support MMS?
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tom
MMS?
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arthurs5
SMS for pictures
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tom
If someone want's to text message me I'd really prefer they used XMPP or email
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So if you go outside you carry that laptop and put it next to your ear?
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tom
No I set it on my lap
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thndrbvr
> tom wrote:
> I would never spend more than 120 dollars on a phone
Phone or handheld computer that handles cellular calls?
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tom
Can't really interact well with something that doesn't have a keyboard
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And most phones can't even run Linux
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Besides some pocket PCs running NetBSD from the 90s
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Just do to their interface makes them more useful to me
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thndrbvr
They do, it's just more of an AOSP + Linux rather than GNU + Linux
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antranigv
tom, I mean you can always get a Nokia N900 :)
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thndrbvr
I second the non-usage of SMS.
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tom
That looks painful to type on
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And fragile
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tom
Do you remember the palm pilot
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That came with a real, foldable, mechanical keyboard that you could type on without having to bend your fingers back in pain?
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tom
There was even PCDOS pocketpcs
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tom
With a dot matrix LCD display
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tom
Nowadays we have e-ink displays. I'd love to have a simple vtty on a LCD or eink
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tom
With a wide enough foldable mech keyboard, running generic Linux or BSD not some special patched up binary blob version
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tom
And a C compiler
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tom
With cellular and/or LoRaWAN
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thndrbvr
Totally off topic now but did you see the colored e-ink screen? Remarkable has a fairly nice e-ink tablet. I wish Purism would make one...
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tom
And a headphone jack
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tom
I'd totally pay a decent amount for something like that
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tom
But regarding a phone, you gotta at least do better than a Nokia 3310 before I pay more than a Nokia 3310
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tom
That's not a hard bar to pass. 30 years of techical improvements and cost reduction, no phone company can make a modern 3310
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thndrbvr
Same. I picked up a 5-10 year old Kobold for $20 recently. It's basic but it does the trick. Pining for something more capable but I'm afraid it'll be a while if I want something libre and not Android based.
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tom
thndrbvr: I saw tri-color e-ink.
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As in black, white, red, and every shade inbetween via dithering
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tom
Tricolor would be good for a vim terminal
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tom
And Profanity
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thndrbvr
For sure.
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tom
Right now, you'd be hard pressed to find anything on the market that resembles a cellphone that you can actually program and doesn't spy on you every chance it gets
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tom
Someonme make a modern Libretto M3 https://upload.nuegia.net/377d6685-8f0e-437a-9f70-0a758185bc07/lib50b.jpg
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tom, thndrbvr, antranigv: could you get....a room?
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MattJ
iirc there is an open hardware channel around
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tom
Thankyou
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Teat
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Test
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stvn: nope ;)
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Licaon_Kter
Oh...message from yesterday...but appears today...strange
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