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  275. Ellenor Malik new spmamer
  276. Ellenor Malik jessieb@draugr.de
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  300. tom fcrazytapok@conversations.im OTR spam
  301. tom I've noticed a pattern too
  302. tom They send two roster requests over several days before sending the OTR spam
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  304. tom You don't have to accept them
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  313. Ge0rG interesting
  314. Ge0rG any other visible patterns?
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  318. tom The names
  319. Ge0rG random letter + wordlist item?
  320. tom They appear to be (although I haven't had enough spam to tell for sure if this is definitive or not yet) ascii constisting of a word and a couple random letters
  321. tom But always US-ASCII
  322. tom And at least one word
  323. Ge0rG Well, most JIDs consist of US-ASCII
  324. tom Yeah but the spam is in RU/EN
  325. Ge0rG Are there any pattern that can be used to differentiate them from real users?
  326. tom So you'd think they'd also have a cyrllic name
  327. Ge0rG I have many russian users on my server, but most of them also use latin names
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  329. tom I don't think I can give you any more differentiateable patterns yet Ge0rG
  330. Ge0rG I'd also take raw XML ;)
  331. tom Oh
  332. Ge0rG Unfortunately, the spammers didn't spam me yet.
  333. tom Well I'll be sure to capture that next time
  334. jonas’ I prefer cooked XML over raw
  335. tom But
  336. Ge0rG jonas’: watch out, or I'll serve you some vegan JSON
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  338. jonas’ Ge0rG, JSON can’t be vegan
  339. jonas’ too much suffering associated with JSON
  340. tom When I send out the abuse reports to other operators, it's usually the case I hear back random IPs opened thousands of accounts a while ago
  341. tom And just now started becoming active
  342. Ge0rG tom: that's the usual pattern.
  343. tom And the operator is able to remove the accounts based on a bunch being registered in a timeframe
  344. Ge0rG tom: https://yaxim.org/blog/2020/05/12/new-anti-spam-measures/ has helped significantly
  345. Ellenor Malik I prefer beef and onion json
  346. Ellenor Malik which is less suffery than the vegan json i,ve eaten
  347. tom Well if that's the case maybe we could look at honeypotting new accounts after they dramticlly exceed normal new user rates
  348. tom As in
  349. tom Don't cancel them just capture the XML and pretend success
  350. Ge0rG I prefer not to silently blackhole new accounts, as there can always be false positives.
  351. tom Ge0rG: can you add my jid as a member to the yax.im spamfighting chat?
  352. tom I tried joinging but it was members only
  353. tom I need an invite
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  355. tom Ge0rG: do you know what kind of captcha the spammer is talking about?
  356. tom The one he claims he can bypass
  357. tom Bypassing google recaptcha is hella easy and there are services for that
  358. tom But I was wondering if maybe there was a monoculture of captchas in the XMPP fedisphere
  359. tom And that's why bypassing was so effective, or he/she was talking out of their ass
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  361. tom You know
  362. tom This same message is repeating every time
  363. tom How resistant exactly is OTR to crypanalysis
  364. jonas’ very
  365. tom Well
  366. tom What about size
  367. jonas’ size?
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  369. jonas’ you need to do a full OTR handshake before message contents are exchanged
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  371. tom If you have a known plaintext can you infer if the ciphertext is the plaintext by looking at the size of the packet?
  372. jonas’ for the handshake to succeed, you’d have to have key material which can recover the plaintext anyways
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  374. tom No i'm not talking about reading the message
  375. jonas’ but messages will not be sent before you could read them
  376. tom The spammer send the EXACT same message every time
  377. jonas’ you cannot send (useful) OTR messages before the handshake is complete
  378. tom I'm wondering if you looked at the SIZE of the OTR ciphertext, if it was very similar or the same each time this message is sent
  379. jonas’ for that you’d first need actual cipheretxt
  380. jonas’ to get actual ciphertext, the handshake must have succeeded
  381. jonas’ the "same" message you’re seeing is probably just the first message of the handshake
  382. tom I've seen encrypted voice systems fall over because people could pretty accurately guess words by looking at the packet size of an encrypted compressed VoIP stream
  383. tom (looking at your SiLK codec)
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  385. jonas’ classic compression-before-encryption problem.
  386. jonas’ but that’s also completely unrelated to OTR
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