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  275. Ellenor Malik

    new spmamer

  276. Ellenor Malik

    jessieb@draugr.de

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  300. tom

    fcrazytapok@conversations.im OTR spam

  301. tom

    I've noticed a pattern too

  302. tom

    They send two roster requests over several days before sending the OTR spam

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  304. tom

    You don't have to accept them

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  313. Ge0rG

    interesting

  314. Ge0rG

    any other visible patterns?

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  318. tom

    The names

  319. Ge0rG

    random letter + wordlist item?

  320. tom

    They appear to be (although I haven't had enough spam to tell for sure if this is definitive or not yet) ascii constisting of a word and a couple random letters

  321. tom

    But always US-ASCII

  322. tom

    And at least one word

  323. Ge0rG

    Well, most JIDs consist of US-ASCII

  324. tom

    Yeah but the spam is in RU/EN

  325. Ge0rG

    Are there any pattern that can be used to differentiate them from real users?

  326. tom

    So you'd think they'd also have a cyrllic name

  327. Ge0rG

    I have many russian users on my server, but most of them also use latin names

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  329. tom

    I don't think I can give you any more differentiateable patterns yet Ge0rG

  330. Ge0rG

    I'd also take raw XML ;)

  331. tom

    Oh

  332. Ge0rG

    Unfortunately, the spammers didn't spam me yet.

  333. tom

    Well I'll be sure to capture that next time

  334. jonas’

    I prefer cooked XML over raw

  335. tom

    But

  336. Ge0rG

    jonas’: watch out, or I'll serve you some vegan JSON

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  338. jonas’

    Ge0rG, JSON can’t be vegan

  339. jonas’

    too much suffering associated with JSON

  340. tom

    When I send out the abuse reports to other operators, it's usually the case I hear back random IPs opened thousands of accounts a while ago

  341. tom

    And just now started becoming active

  342. Ge0rG

    tom: that's the usual pattern.

  343. tom

    And the operator is able to remove the accounts based on a bunch being registered in a timeframe

  344. Ge0rG

    tom: https://yaxim.org/blog/2020/05/12/new-anti-spam-measures/ has helped significantly

  345. Ellenor Malik

    I prefer beef and onion json

  346. Ellenor Malik

    which is less suffery than the vegan json i,ve eaten

  347. tom

    Well if that's the case maybe we could look at honeypotting new accounts after they dramticlly exceed normal new user rates

  348. tom

    As in

  349. tom

    Don't cancel them just capture the XML and pretend success

  350. Ge0rG

    I prefer not to silently blackhole new accounts, as there can always be false positives.

  351. tom

    Ge0rG: can you add my jid as a member to the yax.im spamfighting chat?

  352. tom

    I tried joinging but it was members only

  353. tom

    I need an invite

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  355. tom

    Ge0rG: do you know what kind of captcha the spammer is talking about?

  356. tom

    The one he claims he can bypass

  357. tom

    Bypassing google recaptcha is hella easy and there are services for that

  358. tom

    But I was wondering if maybe there was a monoculture of captchas in the XMPP fedisphere

  359. tom

    And that's why bypassing was so effective, or he/she was talking out of their ass

  360. tom

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  361. tom

    You know

  362. tom

    This same message is repeating every time

  363. tom

    How resistant exactly is OTR to crypanalysis

  364. jonas’

    very

  365. tom

    Well

  366. tom

    What about size

  367. jonas’

    size?

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  369. jonas’

    you need to do a full OTR handshake before message contents are exchanged

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  371. tom

    If you have a known plaintext can you infer if the ciphertext is the plaintext by looking at the size of the packet?

  372. jonas’

    for the handshake to succeed, you’d have to have key material which can recover the plaintext anyways

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  374. tom

    No i'm not talking about reading the message

  375. jonas’

    but messages will not be sent before you could read them

  376. tom

    The spammer send the EXACT same message every time

  377. jonas’

    you cannot send (useful) OTR messages before the handshake is complete

  378. tom

    I'm wondering if you looked at the SIZE of the OTR ciphertext, if it was very similar or the same each time this message is sent

  379. jonas’

    for that you’d first need actual cipheretxt

  380. jonas’

    to get actual ciphertext, the handshake must have succeeded

  381. jonas’

    the "same" message you’re seeing is probably just the first message of the handshake

  382. tom

    I've seen encrypted voice systems fall over because people could pretty accurately guess words by looking at the packet size of an encrypted compressed VoIP stream

  383. tom

    (looking at your SiLK codec)

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  385. jonas’

    classic compression-before-encryption problem.

  386. jonas’

    but that’s also completely unrelated to OTR

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