XMPP Service Operators - 2020-12-10


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  177. 86ul > I wrote: > Which xmpp server do you recommend? I am still looking around... I am just a week or two into this, but looking for a decent server Asking my question, I also asked my self what I really prefer of a good service (sic). And that are four things: 1) federated, in some sort set up by a group of people who have the knowledge and want it to share with others. 2) decentralised, not just one server, but decentralised over a few or more (hence: service - servers). 3) social and open minded, a good, decent, and friendly community that really listen to eachother. 4) secured against the 'evil courant regime and digital regime', but not supporting (very) illegal activity. You can say that I am a journalist, who prefer security for writing purposes only. Any suggestions?
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  379. bastoon 86ul: My opinion and suggestions, the guy who advised you is working for "evil courant regime and digital regime". Alternatively, I'm running prosody. Conf is a bit long to enable all evolved server XEPs but can't compare with ejabberd as never used. (joke inside, I know nobody from evil, only assistants). A good service targets customer expectations. That's a bit generic but only the people knowing this can judge. Good sum-up. 1/ federated: every server interacts with other servers and only process data related to its scope 2/ decentralized because you don't have to ask anyone to be part of the system (relying on federation) 3/ Yeah! 4/ Really depend on your threat model. Users still have to be trained and not fall in traps. But this is pretty good knowing this, you could really pretend to use it for illegal activities as long as using good conjuncted technologies. Personally fulfill all my expectations, excepted that IRL friends prefers to give all their data to companies because they trap the users and are very reactive to implement good-looking and nice-to-have expectations (of course also real expectations). It takes time to include additional features in open federated networks.
  380. bastoon 86ul: My opinion and suggestions, the guy who advised you is working for "evil courant regime and digital regime". Alternatively, I'm running prosody. Conf is a bit long to enable all evolved server XEPs but can't compare with ejabberd as never used. (joke inside, I know nobody from evil, only assistants). A good service targets customer expectations. That's a bit generic but only the people knowing this can judge. Good sum-up. 1/ federated: every server interacts with other servers and only process data related to its scope 2/ decentralized because you don't have to ask anyone to be part of the system (relying on federation) 3/ Yeah! 4/ Really depend on your threat model. Users still have to be trained and not fall in traps. But this is pretty good knowing this, you could really pretend to use it for illegal activities in conjunction of appropriate technologies. Personally fulfill all my expectations, excepted that IRL friends prefers to give all their data to companies because they trap the users and are very reactive to implement good-looking and nice-to-have expectations (of course also real expectations). It takes time to include additional features in open federated networks.
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  382. bastoon 86ul: My opinion and suggestions, the guy who advised you is working for "evil courant regime and digital regime". Alternatively, I'm running prosody. Conf is a bit long to enable all evolved server XEPs but can't compare with ejabberd as never used. (joke inside, I know nobody from evil, only assistants). A good service targets customer expectations. That's a bit generic but only the people knowing this can judge. Good sum-up. 1/ federated: every server interacts with other servers and only process data related to their scope 2/ decentralized because you don't have to ask anyone to be part of the system (relying on federation) 3/ Yeah! 4/ Really depend on your threat model. Users still have to be trained and not fall in traps. But this is pretty good knowing this, you could really pretend to use it for illegal activities in conjunction of appropriate technologies. Personally fulfill all my expectations, excepted that IRL friends prefers to give all their data to companies because they trap the users and are very reactive to implement good-looking and nice-to-have expectations (of course also real expectations). It takes time to include additional features in open federated networks.
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  384. bastoon 86ul: My opinion and suggestions, the guy who advised you is working for "evil courant regime and digital regime". Alternatively, I'm running prosody. Conf is a bit long to enable all evolved server XEPs but can't compare with ejabberd as never used. (joke inside, I know nobody from evil, only assistants). A good service targets customer expectations. That's a bit generic but only the people knowing this can judge. Good sum-up. 1/ federated: every server interacts with other servers and only process data related to their scope 2/ decentralized because you don't have to ask anyone to be part of the system (relying on federation) 3/ Yeah! 4/ Really depend on your threat model. Users still have to be trained and not fall in traps. But this is pretty good knowing this, you could really pretend to use it for illegal activities in conjunction of appropriate technologies. Personally it fulfills all my expectations, excepted that IRL friends prefers to give all their data to companies because they trap the users and are very reactive to implement good-looking and nice-to-have expectations (of course also real expectations). It takes time to include additional features in open federated networks.
  385. 86ul Thanks for this advice bastoon
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  550. mathieui Hey, I want to ask about onionmessenger.com
  551. mathieui It does not have contact addresses and the website is only converse
  552. mathieui anyone know if we can file an abuse report?
  553. mathieui (otherwise I’ll just drop s2s with it I guess)
  554. Licaon_Kter They popped up today on Conversations MUC, no site, the app is an old Conversations clone signed *by Google* (as the new Play bundle stuff requires)
  555. jonas’ mathieui, which website? I get connection refused on onionmessenger.com:{80,443}
  556. Licaon_Kter jonas’: xmpp works....
  557. jonas’ Licaon_Kter, xmpp isn’t used for websites though
  558. jonas’ ah! www.
  559. Licaon_Kter It's an xmpp app...that part works...registration too
  560. Licaon_Kter ;)
  561. jonas’ Licaon_Kter, don’t care, I wanted to see the website mathieui was talking about myself
  562. mathieui I mean we got someone with a pro-pedocriminal username (in french) joining rooms on jabberfr from that server
  563. jonas’ mathieui, file an abuse report with the ISP
  564. jonas’ after collecting evidence
  565. Licaon_Kter That was the domain not the site :)
  566. jonas’ Licaon_Kter, hence I asked
  567. jonas’ ugh, clownflare
  568. jonas’ uh, not for the xmpp itself
  569. jonas’ that’s hosted in germany, giving you high chances of a reaction from the ISP
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  571. jonas’ mathieui, remarks: * Please direct all complaints about Internet abuse like Spam, hacking or scans * remarks: * to abuse@contabo.de . This will guarantee fastest processing possible. *
  572. mathieui jonas’, that’s from what?
  573. jonas’ mathieui, whois $(dig A onionmessenger.com)
  574. jonas’ as there’s no SRV record, that’s where XMPP clients connect
  575. jonas’ so it’s the abuse address of the ISP
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  577. mathieui I mean, I don’t want to make them close down, not yet, but if I can’t file an abuse report…
  578. jonas’ not of the operators themselves, but they hide behind clownflare and whois protection, so that’s the proper next step for escalation
  579. jonas’ the ISP *should* contact them first. you can include in your abuse report a hint how they can publish contact addresses on XMPP
  580. Licaon_Kter mathieui: you never said what happened, spam?
  581. mathieui nah, just connecting and saying hi, with the nick "recruiting kids for x videos" on many public rooms
  582. mathieui Which does not sit well with me
  583. Licaon_Kter And the fked up avatars :(
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  611. mathieui haven’t seen it, which is fine by me
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  627. mathieui well, abuse report sent anyway
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  640. jonas’ good :)
  641. Ge0rG isn't that... an anti-abuse report?
  642. jonas’ Ge0rG, the door’s over there.
  643. Licaon_Kter mathieui: 👍
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  647. Martin > nah, just connecting and saying hi, with the nick "recruiting kids for x videos" on many public rooms > Which does not sit well with me In a german muc he wrote: > Hello trade pictures child porn?
  648. Licaon_Kter ಠ_ಠ
  649. mathieui He only said "Bonjour" in the room I manage before he got banned
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  651. Licaon_Kter That was some minority report ban :))
  652. mathieui well, the nick was on point
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