XMPP Service Operators - 2020-12-15

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  132. Licaon_Kter Is jabber.de down? Or better said it's users and rooms
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  139. Arne I have a issue with it too.
  140. Arne I have an issue with it too.
  141. Martin Licaon_Kter: > Is jabber.de down? Or better said it's users and rooms They had an expired cert, bit that was fixed on the weekend. However, I had to restart my server to get s2s working to them again.
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  159. Licaon_Kter `curl -s -XPOST -H 'Content-Type: application/json' -d'{"target": "jabber.de"}' https://observe.jabber.network/api/v1/check/xmpp-server` > {"auth_info":{"dialback_offered":false,"sasl_mechanisms":[]},"certificate_exp iration":null,"durations":{},"request_id":"lAbnNVS_525TocRS@MY.EXT.ER.NAL","su ccess":false,"total_duration":0.08641842752695084}
  160. Licaon_Kter `curl -s -XPOST -H 'Content-Type: application/json' -d'{"target": "jabber.de"}' https://observe.jabber.network/api/v1/check/xmpp-server` > {"auth_info":{"dialback_offered":false,"sasl_mechanisms":[]},"certificate_expiration":null,"durations":{},"request_id":"lAbnNVS_525TocRS@MY.EXT.ER.NAL","su ccess":false,"total_duration":0.08641842752695084}
  161. Licaon_Kter `curl -s -XPOST -H 'Content-Type: application/json' -d'{"target": "jabber.de"}' https://observe.jabber.network/api/v1/check/xmpp-server` > {"auth_info":{"dialback_offered":false,"sasl_mechanisms":[]},"certificate_expiration":null,"durations":{},"request_id":"lAbnNVS_525TocRS@MY.EXT.ER.NAL","success":false,"total_duration":0.08641842752695084}
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  163. Licaon_Kter That `null` in cert expiration is at fault?
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  180. MattJ That does seem wrong... looks almost like it didn't get as far as enabling TLS
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  187. ernst.on.tour That is the test for c2s ``` echo | openssl s_client -starttls xmpp -servername jabber.de -connect jabber.de:5222 2>/dev/null | openssl x509 -noout -dates -subject ``` Shows NotBefore: Dec 9 08:38 NotAfter: Mar 9 08:38 Can't check s2s, flicky line on mobile.
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  190. Licaon_Kter ernst.on.tour: clients can't connect either
  191. Licaon_Kter Afaik
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  193. ernst.on.tour No cert problem as shown.
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  196. Licaon_Kter No errors in my server log either...but then again...no workie
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  201. Martin Seems alive again.
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  203. ernst.on.tour Whats about "conference.jabber.de" ?
  204. Martin One of my messages to a MUC there just went through.
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  208. ernst.on.tour Hmm, maybe flicky line, but openssl-test against conference.jabber.de shows "no cert"
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  214. jonas’ Licaon_Kter, MattJ, the prober requires valid certificates, so if it cannot negotiate TLS, it will fail without certificate info
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  305. ij jabber.de seems to be back again
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  308. Licaon_Kter ij: yup
  309. Licaon_Kter Any news on what happened?
  310. ij No, https://www.jabber.de/ lists not much information - yet
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  329. Martin The admin was pretty busy in the prosody MUC.
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  333. Licaon_Kter Lessons learned?
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  336. Arne Always test updates on a second instance?
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  338. Arne Always test updates on another instance?
  339. Martin Don't mix community modules in prosody core modules folder.
  340. Ge0rG prosody-modules is a footgun
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  342. Licaon_Kter Wait wait....so was it a _known_ issue? :)
  343. jonas’ more of a case of a server which hasn’t been maintained in a while
  344. jonas’ judging from what I read over in prosody@
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  378. 404.city mimi89999, Hey, I will forgive you to report spam not to a group chat, but to the support service xmpp:support@404.city Account intercoracoid@404.city blocked. Additionally, I will forgive you to contact support Telegram , xmpp.jp , hack-jabb.ru , jabba.biz It is more effective to block return addresses for buying spam
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  388. mimi89999 404.city: Thank you
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  390. Licaon_Kter _forgive_
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  397. 404.city mimi89999, https://xmpp.jp , https://hack-jabb.ru , https://jabba.biz - these services should be included first in the list of spammers because they do not respond to complaints. Perhaps they receive money or some other benefit for favoring spammers. Telegram support service also ignores spam complaints
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  404. jonas’ 404.city, note that it’s hard to contact support@ when it doesn’t accept messages from strangers :)
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  406. 404.city jonas’, You mean subscription request for add contact or s2s problems?
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  410. mimi89999 Does telegra.ph have a contact address?
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  424. 404.city mimi89999, mailto:abuse@telegram.org
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  429. mimi89999 No. The page on which the message was posted.
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  432. Ge0rG 404.city: subscription request required.
  433. Ge0rG I already had success in getting xmpp.jp to block a list of bot accounts BTW
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  436. Ge0rG not sure about the other ones mentioned.
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  439. Arne I actually wonder is it right that the jabber spam list is that small? I want to be prepared before I release...
  440. Arne https://github.com/JabberSPAM/blacklist
  441. mimi89999 Anyway, unless they respond or we try to contact that address we won't know if it is blocked.
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  444. MattJ Arne, servers are only added to the list as a last resort - if the admin can't be contacted or does not take steps to reduce spam
  445. MattJ It is not a list of every server that has ever sent spam (because most public servers would be on that list by now)
  446. mimi89999 creep.im? The admin is here...
  447. Arne 😅
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  449. creep.im not again...
  450. Arne sorry for that...
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  455. creep.im it's okay
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  459. 404.city Spam should be economically unprofitable, then it will stop. Blocking bots has no effect in the global fight against spam: 1) Captchas are required when adding to a subscription 2) mandatory subscription when for send first messenge 3) blocking addresses for buying spam mailings. All these measures taken at the same time will make spam economically disadvantageous. It is very easy to solve one captcha when creating an account. Solving a million captchas when sending subcrition is very difficult
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  474. mimi89999 I hope that those accounts will get blocked.
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  477. mimi89999 The ones for buying spam
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  484. jonas’ you wish
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  487. jonas’ 404.city, https://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt, I leave it up to you to find the correct places to [x]
  488. 404.city Since the captcha on the servers is poorly done, I recommend everyone admins XMPP server to use a mandatory subscription. This significantly solves the problem with spam, because the spammer cannot send more subscriptions than the limit. This is an elementary defense that shows good effectiveness.
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  495. bastoon You mean mandatory subscription "fee"?
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  499. Ge0rG 404.city: there is a limit to pending subscriptions?
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  501. Ge0rG how do you move an account then?
  502. mimi89999 Asshats?
  503. 404.city How blocking most spammers? Example for ejabberd: nano /etc/ejabberd/ejabberd.yml mod_block_strangers: drop: true allow_local_users: false allow_transports: true
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  506. Ge0rG 404.city: mod_block_strangers is horrible
  507. Martin > 404.city: mod_block_strangers is horrible +1
  508. Ge0rG how do you know which subscription requests are from bots and which are real people?
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  511. Ge0rG 404.city: I only got a hold of you after telling you in here that I want to talk to you directly
  512. Martin Do servers advertise that module in disco info? Would be nice to have a module which activates mod_block_strangers only for mod_block_strangers servers. 😂
  513. Ge0rG normal people will just give up and move to whatsapp
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  515. Martin > 404.city: I only got a hold of you after telling you in here that I want to talk to you directly I also gave up on that module several times.
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  517. 404.city Ge0rG, Martin You will change your mind after the first case of flooding to your account.
  518. Martin Is this a threat? 😁
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  524. jonas’ 404.city, you will change your mind after (a) enough other operators failed to contact you for handling spam from *your* domain or (b) spammers learning to use subscription requests :)
  525. 404.city Martin, no
  526. Martin > Ge0rG, Martin You will change your mind after the first case of flooding to your account. Also, this is why open servers should apply limits and/or monitor new users.
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  535. 404.city jonas’, The subscription module has a limit on the number of subscriptions sent and received. You cannot send many subscriptions from one account. Do you understand how this makes the lives of spammers worse?
  536. jonas’ to be honest, no
  537. Ge0rG 404.city: my JID is on some spammers' spam list, but I somehow manage to block all the spambots on the server level.
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  543. 404.city Ge0rG, The largest number of messages that I received on JID 10,000 from 500 jids per minute. Spammers love you if you handle your load manually.
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  545. 404.city 2 party fo ejabberd.yml file: mod_pres_counter: count: 10 interval: 86400
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  550. mimi89999 404.city: If you can't send more subscriptions, you register a new account. Is there something I'm missing?
  551. 404.city I wish you all successful spam with a speed of 10 messages per day!
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  560. 404.city But all servers must have such rules, and not one, then only this will work for real.
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  565. Ge0rG mod_block_strangers is best suited to block human strangers
  566. Martin Hence the name, otherwise it would be mod_block_spammers…
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  568. jonas’ 🤣
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  574. mimi89999 It's a module for introverts.
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  577. Martin I would recommend disabling s2s then. :)
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  605. 404.city >mimi89999‎: 404.city: If you can't send more subscriptions, you register a new account. Is there something I'm missing? Enters captcha every 10 messages as efficiently as entering captcha every 1 message. Spammers have databases with millions of addresses, for 1 spam mailing they receive $ 100. I think very few people will agree to enter a million captchas for $ 100
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  610. jonas’ did you consider that spammers are able to abuse other people into solving their captchas?
  611. jonas’ or that captchas are just broken in general.
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  616. Ge0rG spammers are solving captchas in IBR, despite there being enough servers with captcha-less IBR
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  618. Ge0rG so solving captchas must be roughly free.
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  621. mimi89999 Do you know the admin of hacker.im? I have worst thing that spam. Not sure if I can post that here.
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  623. mimi89999 It's the real and rare...
  624. mimi89999 If you know what it is
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  627. 404.city >‎Ge0rG‎: mod_block_strangers is best suited to block human strangers Subscription was conceived as a tool to combat unwanted messages. There is such Afarism: Why invent bicycle if can use already been invented for us?
  628. mimi89999 Also 1jabber.com
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  659. 404.city ‎creep.im‎ Wow. Are you alive
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  1020. Arne Are there any problems with jabber.de again?
  1021. tom Sometimes
  1022. Licaon_Kter Yup....Offtopic MUC is unreachable again...pfft
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  1024. mjk Where're we gonna go off-topic now?!
  1025. Licaon_Kter ?
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  1027. Arne just deleted them from my list. offtopic? For offtopic there's still the Debian forum :D
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  1029. Licaon_Kter Arne: the whole internet is an offtopic forum :)
  1030. ij well, as long as nobody on the internet knows that I’m a dog…
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  1036. Kris I thought the Disroot channel became the official off-topic channel for XMPP 😉
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  1040. Arne you mean the privacy and security one?
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