XMPP Service Operators - 2020-12-26


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  23. tom

    The smartphone XMPP client market seems saturated while XMPP software for computer seems to be really lacking

  24. tom

    I wonder about power users

  25. Kris

    huh, plenty of good options. what do you mean?

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  27. tom

    There''s dino and gajim, but those copy mac osx's interface style and are targeted to users who don't really understand computers

  28. Kris

    ?

  29. tom

    There is a very good selection of CLI XMPP clients

  30. Kris

    Dino maybe, but that is rather GNOME style

  31. tom

    However CLI leaves a lot to be desired, like avatars and images

  32. tom

    I really like Vacuum-IM

  33. tom

    But it's lacking essential functionality like OMEMO

  34. tom

    Psi+ still has the MaM support bounty open

  35. tom

    Bugs around http-upload

  36. Kris

    Gajim can be made to looks more or less like vacuum

  37. Kris

    and works fine

  38. tom

    Is that what your doing Kris?

  39. tom

    I also tried pidgin again (the latest version)

  40. Kris

    I use both Dino and Gajim

  41. tom

    It's still deathly lacking in XEPs

  42. Kris

    Dino?

  43. tom

    And it can't audio/video call anyone because it doesn't support encryption

  44. tom

    DTLS

  45. tom

    No pidgin

  46. tom

    Can you show me what your Gajim looks like?

  47. tom

    I stopped using gajim after the 1.x release

  48. tom

    That's when they started removing features and told me gajim is not for power or experienced users

  49. Kris

    you should try it again. it improved a lot interface wise in the last few releases

  50. tom

    And the reason is because they might confuse people who don't understand computers

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  52. Kris

    eh, you seem to have a rather specific set of requirements

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  54. tom

    I figured with that mentality it was unlikely to show any improvement in the future and with their move to gtk3, it would suffer the same fate as many other gnome programs

  55. tom

    Requirements?

  56. tom

    Oh

  57. Kris

    I never had anything Gajim couldn't do, except for the rather new audio/video chat compativibilty with Conversations. but that will come soon I guess

  58. tom

    Working OMEMO implementation, working http-upload, Message Carbons/Archive Management, and vcard support

  59. Kris

    AFAIK all supported in Gajim

  60. Kris

    vcard I am not 100% sure

  61. Kris

    and archive management is done a bit couter intuitively

  62. tom

    I'll give gajim another try, but I'm seriously worried even it the new version is alright about it's future viability given the direction of GNOME3 projects and developers not eating their own dogfood

  63. tom

    What i mean by that is themselves not being the target audience

  64. Kris

    🤷‍♂️️

  65. tom

    What does that emoji mean?

  66. tom

    A skelington and a female symbol?

  67. tom

    https://upload.nuegia.net/243dc440-8a8b-4a2a-9272-44406709395b/screenshot.png

  68. tom

    Hey btw

  69. Kris

    male version of the hands up and shrug emoji

  70. tom

    While i'm compiling gajim, do you know of any other xmpp clients that support those modern XEPs and use any other graphical toolkit then QT?

  71. tom

    Oh ok, that's weird the shrug would show up as that

  72. Kris

    so neither qt nor gtk?

  73. tom

    No

  74. tom

    Qt is fine

  75. tom

    Gtk2 is fine

  76. Kris

    hmm there is some work in progress, but I don't think any of those would fulfill your needs

  77. tom

    What did you have in mind?

  78. Kris

    there is Kaidan and Jabbercat

  79. Kris

    and Cagou, but that isn't qt but something different all together

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  82. Link Mauve

    tom, poezio does support avatars fyi, if you have pillow or librsvg installed.

  83. tom

    Link Mauve: how? Poezio is a ncurses command like tool?

  84. Link Mauve

    Using Unicode half-block characters, and changing foreground/background colour. :3

  85. tom

    Lol really? Like aalib?

  86. Link Mauve

    Yeah but better.

  87. Link Mauve

    Directly inspired by mpv’s --vo=tct.

  88. tom

    I'm not aware let me try that

  89. Link Mauve

    Kris, Cagou is using Kivy as its graphical toolkit.

  90. tom

    WHAT

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  92. tom

    Omg

  93. tom

    I had to doublecheck this wasn't a new xwindow

  94. tom

    https://upload.nuegia.net/4d5ac28f-35fd-42cf-8271-e827d5930acd/screenshot.png

  95. tom

    That is really cool, and words /really/ well

  96. Link Mauve

    You should add --really-quiet if you don’t want the weird lines around.

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  98. tom

    Thankyou

  99. tom

    I kinda like them though, look like paint splotches

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  101. tom

    Is the linux framebuffer fast enough to use tct with?

  102. Link Mauve

    If you mean fbcon, it’d look bad since that AFAIK can only do 16 colours.

  103. Link Mauve

    I’d recommend using a better terminal emulator, like kmscon.

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  106. tom

    All really cool advice

  107. tom

    Thankyou Link Mauve

  108. Link Mauve

    Yw. :)

  109. tom

    About caugu though, i'm trying to get away from my computer looking like a smart phone

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