XMPP Service Operators

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00:36:34 tom The smartphone XMPP client market seems saturated while XMPP software for computer seems to be really lacking
00:36:43 tom I wonder about power users
00:37:09 Kris huh, plenty of good options. what do you mean?
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00:37:24 tom There''s dino and gajim, but those copy mac osx's interface style and are targeted to users who don't really understand computers
00:37:39 Kris ?
00:37:46 tom There is a very good selection of CLI XMPP clients
00:37:59 Kris Dino maybe, but that is rather GNOME style
00:38:07 tom However CLI leaves a lot to be desired, like avatars and images
00:38:15 tom I really like Vacuum-IM
00:38:31 tom But it's lacking essential functionality like OMEMO
00:38:45 tom Psi+ still has the MaM support bounty open
00:38:56 tom Bugs around http-upload
00:39:06 Kris Gajim can be made to looks more or less like vacuum
00:39:20 Kris and works fine
00:39:37 tom Is that what your doing Kris?
00:39:51 tom I also tried pidgin again (the latest version)
00:39:58 Kris I use both Dino and Gajim
00:40:04 tom It's still deathly lacking in XEPs
00:40:15 Kris Dino?
00:40:22 tom And it can't audio/video call anyone because it doesn't support encryption
00:40:24 tom DTLS
00:40:28 tom No pidgin
00:40:53 tom Can you show me what your Gajim looks like?
00:41:06 tom I stopped using gajim after the 1.x release
00:41:28 tom That's when they started removing features and told me gajim is not for power or experienced users
00:41:29 Kris you should try it again. it improved a lot interface wise in the last few releases
00:41:43 tom And the reason is because they might confuse people who don't understand computers
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00:42:18 Kris eh, you seem to have a rather specific set of requirements
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00:42:35 tom I figured with that mentality it was unlikely to show any improvement in the future and with their move to gtk3, it would suffer the same fate as many other gnome programs
00:42:40 tom Requirements?
00:42:42 tom Oh
00:42:56 Kris I never had anything Gajim couldn't do, except for the rather new audio/video chat compativibilty with Conversations. but that will come soon I guess
00:43:23 tom Working OMEMO implementation, working http-upload, Message Carbons/Archive Management, and vcard support
00:43:36 Kris AFAIK all supported in Gajim
00:43:50 Kris vcard I am not 100% sure
00:44:08 Kris and archive management is done a bit couter intuitively
00:44:33 tom I'll give gajim another try, but I'm seriously worried even it the new version is alright about it's future viability given the direction of GNOME3 projects and developers not eating their own dogfood
00:44:49 tom What i mean by that is themselves not being the target audience
00:46:29 Kris 🤷‍♂️️
00:47:28 tom What does that emoji mean?
00:47:39 tom A skelington and a female symbol?
00:48:10 tom https://upload.nuegia.net/243dc440-8a8b-4a2a-9272-44406709395b/screenshot.png
00:48:15 tom Hey btw
00:48:48 Kris male version of the hands up and shrug emoji
00:48:51 tom While i'm compiling gajim, do you know of any other xmpp clients that support those modern XEPs and use any other graphical toolkit then QT?
00:49:17 tom Oh ok, that's weird the shrug would show up as that
00:49:26 Kris so neither qt nor gtk?
00:50:14 tom No
00:50:17 tom Qt is fine
00:50:25 tom Gtk2 is fine
00:50:59 Kris hmm there is some work in progress, but I don't think any of those would fulfill your needs
00:51:11 tom What did you have in mind?
00:51:57 Kris there is Kaidan and Jabbercat
00:52:27 Kris and Cagou, but that isn't qt but something different all together
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00:54:07 Link Mauve tom, poezio does support avatars fyi, if you have pillow or librsvg installed.
00:54:27 tom Link Mauve: how? Poezio is a ncurses command like tool?
00:54:48 Link Mauve Using Unicode half-block characters, and changing foreground/background colour. :3
00:55:18 tom Lol really? Like aalib?
00:55:44 Link Mauve Yeah but better.
00:55:54 Link Mauve Directly inspired by mpv’s --vo=tct.
00:56:22 tom I'm not aware let me try that
00:57:12 Link Mauve Kris, Cagou is using Kivy as its graphical toolkit.
00:57:13 tom WHAT
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00:57:50 tom Omg
00:58:01 tom I had to doublecheck this wasn't a new xwindow
00:58:10 tom https://upload.nuegia.net/4d5ac28f-35fd-42cf-8271-e827d5930acd/screenshot.png
00:58:34 tom That is really cool, and words /really/ well
00:58:41 Link Mauve You should add --really-quiet if you don’t want the weird lines around.
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00:58:47 tom Thankyou
00:59:00 tom I kinda like them though, look like paint splotches
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00:59:41 tom Is the linux framebuffer fast enough to use tct with?
01:00:40 Link Mauve If you mean fbcon, it’d look bad since that AFAIK can only do 16 colours.
01:00:58 Link Mauve I’d recommend using a better terminal emulator, like kmscon.
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01:07:16 tom All really cool advice
01:07:18 tom Thankyou Link Mauve
01:07:26 Link Mauve Yw. :)
01:08:04 tom About caugu though, i'm trying to get away from my computer looking like a smart phone
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