XMPP Service Operators - 2020-12-26

The smartphone XMPP client market seems saturated while XMPP software for computer seems to be really lacking

I wonder about power users

huh, plenty of good options. what do you mean?

There''s dino and gajim, but those copy mac osx's interface style and are targeted to users who don't really understand computers

?

There is a very good selection of CLI XMPP clients

Dino maybe, but that is rather GNOME style

However CLI leaves a lot to be desired, like avatars and images

I really like Vacuum-IM

But it's lacking essential functionality like OMEMO

Psi+ still has the MaM support bounty open

Bugs around http-upload

Gajim can be made to looks more or less like vacuum

and works fine

Is that what your doing Kris?

I also tried pidgin again (the latest version)

I use both Dino and Gajim

It's still deathly lacking in XEPs

Dino?

And it can't audio/video call anyone because it doesn't support encryption

DTLS

No pidgin

Can you show me what your Gajim looks like?

I stopped using gajim after the 1.x release

That's when they started removing features and told me gajim is not for power or experienced users

you should try it again. it improved a lot interface wise in the last few releases

And the reason is because they might confuse people who don't understand computers

eh, you seem to have a rather specific set of requirements

I figured with that mentality it was unlikely to show any improvement in the future and with their move to gtk3, it would suffer the same fate as many other gnome programs

Requirements?

Oh

I never had anything Gajim couldn't do, except for the rather new audio/video chat compativibilty with Conversations. but that will come soon I guess

Working OMEMO implementation, working http-upload, Message Carbons/Archive Management, and vcard support

AFAIK all supported in Gajim

vcard I am not 100% sure

and archive management is done a bit couter intuitively

I'll give gajim another try, but I'm seriously worried even it the new version is alright about it's future viability given the direction of GNOME3 projects and developers not eating their own dogfood

What i mean by that is themselves not being the target audience

🤷‍♂️️

What does that emoji mean?

A skelington and a female symbol?

https://upload.nuegia.net/243dc440-8a8b-4a2a-9272-44406709395b/screenshot.png

Hey btw

male version of the hands up and shrug emoji

While i'm compiling gajim, do you know of any other xmpp clients that support those modern XEPs and use any other graphical toolkit then QT?

Oh ok, that's weird the shrug would show up as that

so neither qt nor gtk?

No

Qt is fine

Gtk2 is fine

hmm there is some work in progress, but I don't think any of those would fulfill your needs

What did you have in mind?

there is Kaidan and Jabbercat

and Cagou, but that isn't qt but something different all together

tom, poezio does support avatars fyi, if you have pillow or librsvg installed.

Link Mauve: how? Poezio is a ncurses command like tool?

Using Unicode half-block characters, and changing foreground/background colour. :3

Lol really? Like aalib?

Yeah but better.

Directly inspired by mpv’s --vo=tct.

I'm not aware let me try that

Kris, Cagou is using Kivy as its graphical toolkit.

WHAT

Omg

I had to doublecheck this wasn't a new xwindow

https://upload.nuegia.net/4d5ac28f-35fd-42cf-8271-e827d5930acd/screenshot.png

That is really cool, and words /really/ well

You should add --really-quiet if you don’t want the weird lines around.

Thankyou

I kinda like them though, look like paint splotches

Is the linux framebuffer fast enough to use tct with?

If you mean fbcon, it’d look bad since that AFAIK can only do 16 colours.

I’d recommend using a better terminal emulator, like kmscon.

All really cool advice

Thankyou Link Mauve

Yw. :)

About caugu though, i'm trying to get away from my computer looking like a smart phone