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tom
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The smartphone XMPP client market seems saturated while XMPP software for computer seems to be really lacking
tom
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I wonder about power users
Kris
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huh, plenty of good options. what do you mean?
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tom
00:37:24
There''s dino and gajim, but those copy mac osx's interface style and are targeted to users who don't really understand computers
Kris
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?
tom
00:37:46
There is a very good selection of CLI XMPP clients
Kris
00:37:59
Dino maybe, but that is rather GNOME style
tom
00:38:07
However CLI leaves a lot to be desired, like avatars and images
tom
00:38:15
I really like Vacuum-IM
tom
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But it's lacking essential functionality like OMEMO
tom
00:38:45
Psi+ still has the MaM support bounty open
tom
00:38:56
Bugs around http-upload
Kris
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Gajim can be made to looks more or less like vacuum
Kris
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and works fine
tom
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Is that what your doing Kris?
tom
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I also tried pidgin again (the latest version)
Kris
00:39:58
I use both Dino and Gajim
tom
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It's still deathly lacking in XEPs
Kris
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Dino?
tom
00:40:22
And it can't audio/video call anyone because it doesn't support encryption
tom
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DTLS
tom
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No pidgin
tom
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Can you show me what your Gajim looks like?
tom
00:41:06
I stopped using gajim after the 1.x release
tom
00:41:28
That's when they started removing features and told me gajim is not for power or experienced users
Kris
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you should try it again. it improved a lot interface wise in the last few releases
tom
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And the reason is because they might confuse people who don't understand computers
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Kris
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eh, you seem to have a rather specific set of requirements
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tom
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I figured with that mentality it was unlikely to show any improvement in the future and with their move to gtk3, it would suffer the same fate as many other gnome programs
tom
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Requirements?
tom
00:42:42
Oh
Kris
00:42:56
I never had anything Gajim couldn't do, except for the rather new audio/video chat compativibilty with Conversations. but that will come soon I guess
tom
00:43:23
Working OMEMO implementation, working http-upload, Message Carbons/Archive Management, and vcard support
Kris
00:43:36
AFAIK all supported in Gajim
Kris
00:43:50
vcard I am not 100% sure
Kris
00:44:08
and archive management is done a bit couter intuitively
tom
00:44:33
I'll give gajim another try, but I'm seriously worried even it the new version is alright about it's future viability given the direction of GNOME3 projects and developers not eating their own dogfood
tom
00:44:49
What i mean by that is themselves not being the target audience
Kris
00:46:29
🤷♂️️
tom
00:47:28
What does that emoji mean?
tom
00:47:39
A skelington and a female symbol?
tom
00:48:10
https://upload.nuegia.net/243dc440-8a8b-4a2a-9272-44406709395b/screenshot.png
tom
00:48:15
Hey btw
Kris
00:48:48
male version of the hands up and shrug emoji
tom
00:48:51
While i'm compiling gajim, do you know of any other xmpp clients that support those modern XEPs and use any other graphical toolkit then QT?
tom
00:49:17
Oh ok, that's weird the shrug would show up as that
Kris
00:49:26
so neither qt nor gtk?
tom
00:50:14
No
tom
00:50:17
Qt is fine
tom
00:50:25
Gtk2 is fine
Kris
00:50:59
hmm there is some work in progress, but I don't think any of those would fulfill your needs
tom
00:51:11
What did you have in mind?
Kris
00:51:57
there is Kaidan and Jabbercat
Kris
00:52:27
and Cagou, but that isn't qt but something different all together
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Link Mauve
00:54:07
tom, poezio does support avatars fyi, if you have pillow or librsvg installed.
tom
00:54:27
Link Mauve: how? Poezio is a ncurses command like tool?
Link Mauve
00:54:48
Using Unicode half-block characters, and changing foreground/background colour. :3
tom
00:55:18
Lol really? Like aalib?
Link Mauve
00:55:44
Yeah but better.
Link Mauve
00:55:54
Directly inspired by mpv’s --vo=tct.
tom
00:56:22
I'm not aware let me try that
Link Mauve
00:57:12
Kris, Cagou is using Kivy as its graphical toolkit.
tom
00:57:13
WHAT
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tom
00:57:50
Omg
tom
00:58:01
I had to doublecheck this wasn't a new xwindow
tom
00:58:10
https://upload.nuegia.net/4d5ac28f-35fd-42cf-8271-e827d5930acd/screenshot.png
tom
00:58:34
That is really cool, and words /really/ well
Link Mauve
00:58:41
You should add --really-quiet if you don’t want the weird lines around.
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00:58:47
Thankyou
tom
00:59:00
I kinda like them though, look like paint splotches
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00:59:41
Is the linux framebuffer fast enough to use tct with?
Link Mauve
01:00:40
If you mean fbcon, it’d look bad since that AFAIK can only do 16 colours.
Link Mauve
01:00:58
I’d recommend using a better terminal emulator, like kmscon.
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01:07:16
All really cool advice
tom
01:07:18
Thankyou Link Mauve
Link Mauve
01:07:26
Yw. :)
tom
01:08:04
About caugu though, i'm trying to get away from my computer looking like a smart phone
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