XMPP Service Operators - 2020-12-26


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  23. tom The smartphone XMPP client market seems saturated while XMPP software for computer seems to be really lacking
  24. tom I wonder about power users
  25. Kris huh, plenty of good options. what do you mean?
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  27. tom There''s dino and gajim, but those copy mac osx's interface style and are targeted to users who don't really understand computers
  28. Kris ?
  29. tom There is a very good selection of CLI XMPP clients
  30. Kris Dino maybe, but that is rather GNOME style
  31. tom However CLI leaves a lot to be desired, like avatars and images
  32. tom I really like Vacuum-IM
  33. tom But it's lacking essential functionality like OMEMO
  34. tom Psi+ still has the MaM support bounty open
  35. tom Bugs around http-upload
  36. Kris Gajim can be made to looks more or less like vacuum
  37. Kris and works fine
  38. tom Is that what your doing Kris?
  39. tom I also tried pidgin again (the latest version)
  40. Kris I use both Dino and Gajim
  41. tom It's still deathly lacking in XEPs
  42. Kris Dino?
  43. tom And it can't audio/video call anyone because it doesn't support encryption
  44. tom DTLS
  45. tom No pidgin
  46. tom Can you show me what your Gajim looks like?
  47. tom I stopped using gajim after the 1.x release
  48. tom That's when they started removing features and told me gajim is not for power or experienced users
  49. Kris you should try it again. it improved a lot interface wise in the last few releases
  50. tom And the reason is because they might confuse people who don't understand computers
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  52. Kris eh, you seem to have a rather specific set of requirements
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  54. tom I figured with that mentality it was unlikely to show any improvement in the future and with their move to gtk3, it would suffer the same fate as many other gnome programs
  55. tom Requirements?
  56. tom Oh
  57. Kris I never had anything Gajim couldn't do, except for the rather new audio/video chat compativibilty with Conversations. but that will come soon I guess
  58. tom Working OMEMO implementation, working http-upload, Message Carbons/Archive Management, and vcard support
  59. Kris AFAIK all supported in Gajim
  60. Kris vcard I am not 100% sure
  61. Kris and archive management is done a bit couter intuitively
  62. tom I'll give gajim another try, but I'm seriously worried even it the new version is alright about it's future viability given the direction of GNOME3 projects and developers not eating their own dogfood
  63. tom What i mean by that is themselves not being the target audience
  64. Kris 🤷‍♂️️
  65. tom What does that emoji mean?
  66. tom A skelington and a female symbol?
  67. tom https://upload.nuegia.net/243dc440-8a8b-4a2a-9272-44406709395b/screenshot.png
  68. tom Hey btw
  69. Kris male version of the hands up and shrug emoji
  70. tom While i'm compiling gajim, do you know of any other xmpp clients that support those modern XEPs and use any other graphical toolkit then QT?
  71. tom Oh ok, that's weird the shrug would show up as that
  72. Kris so neither qt nor gtk?
  73. tom No
  74. tom Qt is fine
  75. tom Gtk2 is fine
  76. Kris hmm there is some work in progress, but I don't think any of those would fulfill your needs
  77. tom What did you have in mind?
  78. Kris there is Kaidan and Jabbercat
  79. Kris and Cagou, but that isn't qt but something different all together
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  82. Link Mauve tom, poezio does support avatars fyi, if you have pillow or librsvg installed.
  83. tom Link Mauve: how? Poezio is a ncurses command like tool?
  84. Link Mauve Using Unicode half-block characters, and changing foreground/background colour. :3
  85. tom Lol really? Like aalib?
  86. Link Mauve Yeah but better.
  87. Link Mauve Directly inspired by mpv’s --vo=tct.
  88. tom I'm not aware let me try that
  89. Link Mauve Kris, Cagou is using Kivy as its graphical toolkit.
  90. tom WHAT
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  92. tom Omg
  93. tom I had to doublecheck this wasn't a new xwindow
  94. tom https://upload.nuegia.net/4d5ac28f-35fd-42cf-8271-e827d5930acd/screenshot.png
  95. tom That is really cool, and words /really/ well
  96. Link Mauve You should add --really-quiet if you don’t want the weird lines around.
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  98. tom Thankyou
  99. tom I kinda like them though, look like paint splotches
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  101. tom Is the linux framebuffer fast enough to use tct with?
  102. Link Mauve If you mean fbcon, it’d look bad since that AFAIK can only do 16 colours.
  103. Link Mauve I’d recommend using a better terminal emulator, like kmscon.
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  106. tom All really cool advice
  107. tom Thankyou Link Mauve
  108. Link Mauve Yw. :)
  109. tom About caugu though, i'm trying to get away from my computer looking like a smart phone
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