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mimi89999 11:38:50
Hello
mimi89999 11:39:01
I'm getting spam from jabber.freenet.de
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mimi89999 11:40:11
Their site is only in german
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mimi89999 11:41:34
The same spam service
mimi89999 11:41:46
https://clck.ru/SZPyZ
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octagon 11:48:14
mimi89999: If that .ru link is itself from the spam please in the future use hxxp to prevent misclicks
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mimi89999 11:50:51
OK. Sorry.
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404.city 12:05:51
octagon: No, not broken. mod_block_strangers - this is still the only effective method of fighting spam and flooding. It can be enhanced with captcha, which can create an impenetrable borrier.
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Ge0rG 12:09:32
impenetrable for people who want to talk to you, for sure!
404.city 12:10:41
Martin, Spammers are two people. It's even funny that this supposedly creates a problem.
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404.city 12:12:26
Ge0rG, Reconfigure your client so that he sent the subscription along with the message and then it will not create a problem for you.
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404.city 12:13:28
Ge0rG, Prosody doesn't have a module similar to mod_block_strangers?
Ge0rG 12:13:33
404.city: most clients don't support that. All spammers send a subscription request ahead of actual messages
Ge0rG 12:13:39
404.city: I don't care and I don't know.
Ge0rG 12:13:45
404.city: it's the wrong approach
Ge0rG 12:14:45
404.city: 99% of xmpp spam follows a simple pattern that allows identifying and blocking the bots.
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Martin 12:16:49
What do you mean?
Martin 12:16:54
> 404.city: Martin, Spammers are two people. It's even funny that this supposedly creates a problem.
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octagon 12:17:51
Is there a bogofilter module?
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404.city 12:19:07
Martin, The same people are in the back contacts for buying spam.
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404.city 12:20:20
Ge0rG, How much do you think using subscriptions would reduce the amount of incoming spam?
Ge0rG 12:20:51
404.city: I don't understand the question
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Ge0rG 12:23:02
100% of spam is subscription request, then message
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Ge0rG 12:23:16
blocking just the message doesn't solve the problem
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404.city 12:24:01
Ge0rG, The main goal of spammers is to deliver a message. How efficiently do you think messages with blocked strangers would be delivered?
Ge0rG 12:24:59
404.city: there are two numbers to consider: false positives and false negatives.
Ge0rG 12:25:06
you can block 100% spam by disabling all messaging
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Ge0rG 12:25:25
but then you also have a 100% false positive blocking rate
Ge0rG 12:25:48
with mod_block_strangers, you exclude people who don't want to share presence with you, and you block people who can't solve captchas
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mimi89999 12:27:25
If we block all messages, we will block all spam messages
Martin 12:27:26
404.city: You are aware of creep.im landing on the blocklist as we were not able to reach them due to mod_block_strangers + captcha?
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mimi89999 12:27:43
Let's make mod_block_all
Martin 12:27:45
Exactly. So let's disable s2s and call it a day.
Ge0rG 12:28:06
Martin: there will still be local spam bots
Martin 12:28:08
Then also disable c2s and you also blocked all spammers on your server.
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jonas’ 12:29:06
Martin, but websockets!
Martin 12:29:39
Just pull the network cable on your server. That should be the ultimate spam fighting solution.
404.city 12:29:55
Martin, Yes, the captcha module has a bug so it is not usable right now.
Ge0rG 12:30:05
`ifconfig eth0 down`
jonas’ 12:30:23
Ge0rG, that’s so 90ies! `ip link set eth0 down` please.
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octagon 12:31:24
OK seriously is mod_block_strangers broken or not?
404.city 12:31:37
Ge0rG, Why do we need messages from strangers at all? 99% of these messages are flood or spam ....
404.city 12:31:59
octagon, captcha broken, modules no
octagon 12:32:05
I spent 30mins testing/playing with mod_block_strangers and it seems very unreliable.
octagon 12:32:12
404.city: I wrote my own captcha script
Ge0rG 12:32:23
404.city: see above. "you exclude people who don't want to share presence with you"
404.city 12:32:26
octagon, captcha is other modules
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Licaon_Kter 12:32:29
octagon: do share ;)
octagon 12:33:05
Licaon_Kter: https://github.com/divestedcg/sbnr/blob/master/get_captcha.php
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octagon 12:34:33
the meat is here https://github.com/divestedcg/sbnr/blob/master/sbnr/captcha.php GPLv3, requires PHP
Licaon_Kter 12:38:46
octagon: this is integrated in a website? Would not show on IBR?
octagon 12:40:39
Licaon_Kter: nah I made a script for ejabberd that curls the image. It works just fine for ibr. You can try it on my server if you have my jid
Licaon_Kter 12:41:30
Thanks
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404.city 12:54:15
The problem with receiving spam is incorrect access rights. Strangers can send spam, so there is no way to protect yourself from spam as long as strangers can send anything.
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Licaon_Kter 12:54:47
404.city: everyone is a stranger until you say they ain't
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404.city 13:06:04
The combination of the module for blocking messages from strangers with limiting the number of subscriptions sent, gives the desired result. One spammer cannot send more than a dozen messages from one account.
Licaon_Kter 13:06:44
404.city: share the subscription ejabberd config part
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Ge0rG 13:09:27
404.city: you can't enforce number of subscriptions on *remote* servers
Ge0rG 13:09:38
404.city: and IBR is cheap. spammers are registering thousands of accounts
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