XMPP Service Operators - 2021-01-27


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  332. Licaon_Kter

    sudo package update in Debian, Ubuntu and CentOS at the same time. FYI

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  335. jonas’

    yeah, local root

  336. jonas’

    yeah, unauthenticated local root exploit

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  355. pepta.net

    edhelas: > I have this theory that if we continue to block the dumb bots and scripts that are creating fake accounts on our servers, after a while they will have to make accounts that are more and more realistic until a point where we're not able anymore to differentiate from a real one. If they also send messages that could not be differentiated from a real conversation (instead of spam), it would be for good ;-) At least there will always be some pattern to fight spam after account creation like same messages / lots of messages to contacts not in roster / or rely on spam reports.

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  367. arne

    Hi, does anyone uses lxqt vor servers?

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  370. jonas’

    I don’t run GUIs on servers.

  371. arne

    I on devuan and it uses xfce as standard but I thought about a more lightweight environment..

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  373. jonas’

    GUIs are waaaaay too much attack surface

  374. arne

    yes sure

  375. arne

    and ssh?

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  377. jonas’

    hm?

  378. MattJ

    and sudo

  379. jonas’

    :D

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  381. vanitasvitae

    > https://upload.esaanchez.net/716b9766f49b549c3916d680ca95e63cbc4e715d/MLDhdja7abyhepCVkqbAa7LGX9Rd1ZwbWL2gAdNB/Xg_3o5MPRdql5py6YwnhYg.jpg > and the winner of the contest for the longest http upload URL iiiiiiiisss .... tom! thats standard ejabberd url format, isn't it? 😀

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  383. jonas’

    yeah, thinking about that it’s probably safer, trusted-computing-base-wise, to log in as root with key authentication than as normal user with suod :)

  384. jonas’

    yeah, thinking about that it’s probably safer, trusted-computing-base-wise, to log in as root with key authentication than as normal user with sudo :)

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  387. arne

    normaly I didn't use any desktop environment on my main server and also no ssh

  388. arne

    x'D

  389. MattJ

    But when sudo became a thing we were told the opposite, root accessible over ssh is terrible!

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  391. MattJ

    Also you often want to give multiple people root access on a server anyway, and then giving them a normal user account makes auditing and access control simpler

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  393. MattJ

    Compared to dropping a bunch of keys in ~root's .ssh

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  395. mathieui

    MattJ, ssh CAs?

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  397. jonas’

    MattJ, agreed

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  399. jonas’

    mathieui, revoking the signatures is no fun

  400. mathieui

    So I was told

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  403. arne

    still the best is no ssh and no desktop environment I guess, hehe.

  404. jonas’

    arne, what would one use instead? telnet ;D

  405. mathieui

    arne, if you can afford it, sure

  406. mathieui

    I guess you can use hashicorp vault to manage ssh certs, though, jonas’

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  408. mathieui

    not sure if it helps with revoking otoh

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  410. arne

    na I'm selfhosting so I can just use a monitor :D

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  412. jonas’

    ah, hosting at home doesn’t work well with the high availability I want to achieve :)

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  415. arne

    mh, didn't you see my project jonas' ?

  416. arne

    my little data center is nearly autarkic with backup connection

  417. mathieui

    if you can do it, a dedicated network interface on a separate (private) network for ssh is probably the best you can achieve

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  419. arne

    yes this would be possible mathieui

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  431. Licaon_Kter

    arne: > mh, didn't you see my project jonas' ? Link?

  432. arne

    https://monocles.de/more/

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  435. arne

    but still not finished, waiting for some recycled batteries

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  1036. mwk

    Hi

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  1039. mwk

    Any one try to build xmpp server at his home ?

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  1041. mwk

    https://jabber.hot-chilli.net/jabberupload/share_v2.php/f177caf4-d444-4dec-8812-6834a31fbcf7/RECORDING_20210127_233231923.m4a

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  1090. Kris

    sure, easy to do. just set up a dynDNS and run it on a cheab SBC

  1091. Kris

    sure, easy to do. just set up a dynDNS and run it on a cheap SBC

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  1142. jayteeuk

    Yep, very doable.

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  1163. jayteeuk

    Has anyone installed Salut à Toi core using something like Ansible?

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  1167. ben

    I run ejabberd on a thinkpad x230 in my living room

  1168. ben

    works great

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  1204. mwk

    What you mean run it in cheap SBC ?

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  1208. mwk

    I try to run xmpp server from android app in playstore but i cant know how to run

  1209. mwk

    I will post link for that app

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  1212. mwk

    https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.icecoldapps.serversultimatepro

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  1216. mwk

    https://jabber.hot-chilli.net/jabberupload/share_v2.php/f5d15772-9c88-4606-b30d-3410cf7160e6/aBOOWXPvRFCsscMDdsa6zA.jpg

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  1218. mwk

    But i cant make it success to run server in local lan or wan

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  1231. mjk

    mwk: sooo... you wanna run it on a phone, or you have a googlified android installed on an sbc such as raspberry pi?

  1232. mwk

    On my phone

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  1235. mwk

    Brows the app in playstore and read details about it

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  1237. mwk

    I put playstore link for it

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  1239. pepta.net

    mwk: software probably violating open source licenses. Then, all-in one soft is probably the worst thing to have... Security holes, ...

  1240. mjk

    That's... unusual, but with power plugged, I guess it can work out

  1241. mjk

    Make sure android doesn't kill the server every once in a while

  1242. mwk

    I success ftp server and make dynamic dns and success login to my phone server from different city

  1243. mwk

    But i cant make xmpp server

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    https://jabber.hot-chilli.net/jabberupload/share_v2.php/45f67894-f38c-4670-8bc7-e5be1efa798c/qzGT8h-bTgmbPDtus3onMQ.jpg

  1246. mwk

    https://jabber.hot-chilli.net/jabberupload/share_v2.php/4d66295d-75cb-44d9-99fb-664e96e5ef81/_RuO-HzMTz2uOjUmoPx35A.jpg

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  1250. mwk

    In server name what should i put ? Any thing like test .

  1251. mwk

    ?

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  1254. mwk

    And in domain name put my home external ip adress ?

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  1256. mwk

    https://jabber.hot-chilli.net/jabberupload/share_v2.php/fee73464-6f05-4a96-b5b1-898f493b09aa/EWt5mYvqR1O0N0jIg7nX1Q.jpg

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  1259. mwk

    In user what should add ? The same server name like test

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  1261. pepta.net

    mwk: This is a commercial app, please contact related support.

  1262. mjk

    mwk: You should consult the app's documentation or seek support from the developers.

  1263. mwk

    How to login ? Like test@ipadress

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  1265. mwk

    Is there recommended xmpp server for raspberry pi ?

  1266. mjk

    I don't think anyone here has experience with it, and tgere's certainly no psychics here to guess what 'server name' means :)

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  1270. mjk

    > Is there recommended xmpp server for raspberry pi ? ejabberd and prosory come to mind first

  1271. mwk

    Ok , no problem , any experience with setup pi as a server

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  1273. mjk

    > Is there recommended xmpp server for raspberry pi ? ejabberd and prosody come to mind first

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  1276. mwk

    And login to that server from here , from conversation app

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  1278. mwk

    Login on local lan and from outside to pi

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  1285. mjk

    > any experience with setup pi as a server Just general linux stuff, nothing specific for the pi, except if you expect a lot of users, maybe put the databases on an external drive, not the microsd. And maybe logs too.

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  1289. mwk

    Is there ready to use tool in github xmpp server ?

  1290. mjk

    Here's one good guide https://www.process-one.net/blog/how-to-move-the-office-to-real-time-im-on-ejabberd/

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  1300. mjk

    > Login on local lan ...may require you to specify connection address manually in your client (Conversations does support that). But it's probably better to just let the router do its job: to route packets locally

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  1306. mjk

    Disclaimer: I have no first-hand experience with xmpp servers, others here would be able to help much more

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  1311. mwk

    And from external connection ? Does i need to call ISP to open port 5222 for external ? Or no need for that ?

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  1314. mjk

    Yes, you need 5222 open for client connections from outside

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  1317. mjk

    And 5223 (was it?) for server-to-server connections. Unless you don't want to federate

  1318. mjk

    443 for http file uploads & downloads

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  1323. mjk

    5443 for http file uploads & downloads

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  1326. mwk

    I call isp to open all ports , but when i test it it open ports 21 , 22 , 80 , 8080 just !

  1327. mjk

    > And 5223 (was it?) for server-to-server connections. Sorry, that's wrong. The guide I linked has it all anyway, just read it :)

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  1329. mjk

    Bad provider!

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  1333. mjk

    They may have some kind of user-configurable firewall that would allow you to upen all ports

  1334. mwk

    If i make port forwarding in my router to 5222 to fix lan ip adress that run server , is that work ?

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  1336. mjk

    Or they may not

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  1338. mwk

    The port 5222 for my ip when i try external port test , i see it closed

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  1342. mwk

    Or if i make DMZ in my adsl router to server ip , does that work ?

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  1345. mjk

    Xmpp client connection can work on any port, actually, provided you can setup SRV records for your domain

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  1351. mjk

    > Or if i make DMZ in my adsl router to server ip , does that work ? Not sure I understand. Can you rephrase?

  1352. mwk

    What you mean i can setup SRV record for my ip

  1353. mwk

    ?

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  1355. mjk

    Yes, you can specify connection ports in SRV records

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  1357. mjk

    So you can actually use any available ports

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  1359. mwk

    I dont know what you mean by srv record

  1360. mjk

    > Xmpp ~client~ connection can work on any port Corrected ↑

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  1362. mwk

    Ya

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  1364. mjk

    Start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV :

  1365. mjk

    Start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV :)

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  1368. mjk

    Then see if your dns server provider allows you to add these

  1369. mwk

    If you setup server in your home , you need to make 1 user admin and password for that server like john , and how to connect from conversation app ? Like john@externalipofmyhome.

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  1371. mjk

    Pretty much

  1372. mwk

    > Then see if your dns server provider allows you to add these I will read them ... Thanks 😊

  1373. Menel

    Don't know about ejabberd but with prosody reading the manual helps and gives better understanding then a quick start guide.. And all you don't understand --> search engine.

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  1375. mwk

    > Don't know about ejabberd but with prosody reading the manual helps and gives better understanding then a quick start guide.. And all you don't understand --> search engine. Thanks 😊 i will

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  1382. mwk

    > Start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV :) So i need to call my local ISP and request from them SRV RECORD to my ip adress ?

  1383. mwk

    Thats should i need to do ?

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  1399. mjk

    You said you have dynamic dns setup, that means you already have an A or AAAA record with your IP address, so check with them if they allow adding SRV records

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  1402. mjk

    If your dns provider is your ISP, then yes, ask them

  1403. mwk

    Ask them i need SRV Record ?

  1404. mjk

    Yep

  1405. mwk

    They know it

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  1407. mwk

    They add that service from there system to my ip ?

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  1411. mwk

    My dynamic dns on no-ip

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  1413. mjk

    Usually they'd give you web interface for doing that

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  1420. mjk

    Without srv records and without the standard server-to-server connection port number, I think you'd be unable to receive messages from other servers. But at least clients should be able to connect, by specifying the non-standard port number

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  1424. mwk

    Ya

  1425. mwk

    > Usually they'd give you web interface for doing that Can add srv in no-ip website that i added in ddns

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  1428. mjk

    Good

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  1430. mjk

    Next, read up on the necessary xmpp srv records somewhere in the interwebs :)

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  1435. mwk

    If i dont need to communicate with other servers . So no need for srv record? If just me and my family connect to my host server dynamic dns ,.from lan or from outside 3g or 4g phone , so in this case , no need srv ?

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