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Licaon_Kter
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sudo package update in Debian, Ubuntu and CentOS at the same time. FYI
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jonas’
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yeah, local root ✎
jonas’
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yeah, unauthenticated local root exploit ✏
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pepta.net
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edhelas:
> I have this theory that if we continue to block the dumb bots and scripts that are creating fake accounts on our servers, after a while they will have to make accounts that are more and more realistic until a point where we're not able anymore to differentiate from a real one.
If they also send messages that could not be differentiated from a real conversation (instead of spam), it would be for good ;-)
At least there will always be some pattern to fight spam after account creation like same messages / lots of messages to contacts not in roster / or rely on spam reports.
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arne
10:45:27
Hi, does anyone uses lxqt vor servers?
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I don’t run GUIs on servers.
arne
10:46:27
I on devuan and it uses xfce as standard but I thought about a more lightweight environment..
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jonas’
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GUIs are waaaaay too much attack surface
arne
10:46:42
yes sure
arne
10:47:08
and ssh?
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jonas’
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hm?
MattJ
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and sudo
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:D
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vanitasvitae
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> https://upload.esaanchez.net/716b9766f49b549c3916d680ca95e63cbc4e715d/MLDhdja7abyhepCVkqbAa7LGX9Rd1ZwbWL2gAdNB/Xg_3o5MPRdql5py6YwnhYg.jpg
> and the winner of the contest for the longest http upload URL iiiiiiiisss .... tom!
thats standard ejabberd url format, isn't it? 😀
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10:48:09
yeah, thinking about that it’s probably safer, trusted-computing-base-wise, to log in as root with key authentication than as normal user with suod :) ✎
jonas’
10:48:12
yeah, thinking about that it’s probably safer, trusted-computing-base-wise, to log in as root with key authentication than as normal user with sudo :) ✏
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arne
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normaly I didn't use any desktop environment on my main server and also no ssh
arne
10:49:16
x'D
MattJ
10:49:20
But when sudo became a thing we were told the opposite, root accessible over ssh is terrible!
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MattJ
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Also you often want to give multiple people root access on a server anyway, and then giving them a normal user account makes auditing and access control simpler
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MattJ
10:50:29
Compared to dropping a bunch of keys in ~root's .ssh
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mathieui
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MattJ, ssh CAs?
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MattJ, agreed
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mathieui, revoking the signatures is no fun
mathieui
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So I was told
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arne
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still the best is no ssh and no desktop environment I guess, hehe.
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arne, what would one use instead? telnet ;D
mathieui
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arne, if you can afford it, sure
mathieui
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I guess you can use hashicorp vault to manage ssh certs, though, jonas’
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mathieui
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not sure if it helps with revoking otoh
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arne
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na I'm selfhosting so I can just use a monitor :D
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ah, hosting at home doesn’t work well with the high availability I want to achieve :)
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arne
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mh, didn't you see my project jonas' ?
arne
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my little data center is nearly autarkic with backup connection
mathieui
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if you can do it, a dedicated network interface on a separate (private) network for ssh is probably the best you can achieve
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arne
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yes this would be possible mathieui
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arne:
> mh, didn't you see my project jonas' ?
Link?
arne
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https://monocles.de/more/
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but still not finished, waiting for some recycled batteries
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Hi
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Any one try to build xmpp server at his home ?
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https://jabber.hot-chilli.net/jabberupload/share_v2.php/f177caf4-d444-4dec-8812-6834a31fbcf7/RECORDING_20210127_233231923.m4a
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sure, easy to do. just set up a dynDNS and run it on a cheab SBC ✎
Kris
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sure, easy to do. just set up a dynDNS and run it on a cheap SBC ✏
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Yep, very doable.
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Has anyone installed Salut à Toi core using something like Ansible?
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I run ejabberd on a thinkpad x230 in my living room
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works great
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What you mean run it in cheap SBC ?
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I try to run xmpp server from android app in playstore but i cant know how to run
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I will post link for that app
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.icecoldapps.serversultimatepro
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But i cant make it success to run server in local lan or wan
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mwk: sooo... you wanna run it on a phone, or you have a googlified android installed on an sbc such as raspberry pi?
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On my phone
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Brows the app in playstore and read details about it
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I put playstore link for it
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pepta.net
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mwk: software probably violating open source licenses. Then, all-in one soft is probably the worst thing to have... Security holes, ...
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That's... unusual, but with power plugged, I guess it can work out
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Make sure android doesn't kill the server every once in a while
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I success ftp server and make dynamic dns and success login to my phone server from different city
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But i cant make xmpp server
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In server name what should i put ? Any thing like test .
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?
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And in domain name put my home external ip adress ?
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In user what should add ? The same server name like test
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mwk: This is a commercial app, please contact related support.
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mwk: You should consult the app's documentation or seek support from the developers.
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How to login ? Like test@ipadress
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Is there recommended xmpp server for raspberry pi ?
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I don't think anyone here has experience with it, and tgere's certainly no psychics here to guess what 'server name' means :)
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> Is there recommended xmpp server for raspberry pi ?
ejabberd and prosory come to mind first ✎
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Ok , no problem , any experience with setup pi as a server
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> Is there recommended xmpp server for raspberry pi ?
ejabberd and prosody come to mind first ✏
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And login to that server from here , from conversation app
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Login on local lan and from outside to pi
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> any experience with setup pi as a server
Just general linux stuff, nothing specific for the pi, except if you expect a lot of users, maybe put the databases on an external drive, not the microsd. And maybe logs too.
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Is there ready to use tool in github xmpp server ?
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Here's one good guide https://www.process-one.net/blog/how-to-move-the-office-to-real-time-im-on-ejabberd/
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> Login on local lan
...may require you to specify connection address manually in your client (Conversations does support that). But it's probably better to just let the router do its job: to route packets locally
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Disclaimer: I have no first-hand experience with xmpp servers, others here would be able to help much more
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And from external connection ? Does i need to call ISP to open port 5222 for external ? Or no need for that ?
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Yes, you need 5222 open for client connections from outside
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And 5223 (was it?) for server-to-server connections. Unless you don't want to federate
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443 for http file uploads & downloads ✎
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5443 for http file uploads & downloads ✏
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I call isp to open all ports , but when i test it it open ports 21 , 22 , 80 , 8080 just !
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> And 5223 (was it?) for server-to-server connections.
Sorry, that's wrong. The guide I linked has it all anyway, just read it :)
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Bad provider!
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They may have some kind of user-configurable firewall that would allow you to upen all ports
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If i make port forwarding in my router to 5222 to fix lan ip adress that run server , is that work ?
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Or they may not
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The port 5222 for my ip when i try external port test , i see it closed
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Or if i make DMZ in my adsl router to server ip , does that work ?
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Xmpp client connection can work on any port, actually, provided you can setup SRV records for your domain
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> Or if i make DMZ in my adsl router to server ip , does that work ?
Not sure I understand. Can you rephrase?
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What you mean i can setup SRV record for my ip
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?
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Yes, you can specify connection ports in SRV records
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So you can actually use any available ports
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I dont know what you mean by srv record
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> Xmpp ~client~ connection can work on any port
Corrected ↑
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Ya
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Start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV : ✎
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Start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV :) ✏
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Then see if your dns server provider allows you to add these
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If you setup server in your home , you need to make 1 user admin and password for that server like john , and how to connect from conversation app ? Like john@externalipofmyhome.
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Pretty much
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> Then see if your dns server provider allows you to add these
I will read them ... Thanks 😊
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Don't know about ejabberd but with prosody reading the manual helps and gives better understanding then a quick start guide.. And all you don't understand --> search engine.
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> Don't know about ejabberd but with prosody reading the manual helps and gives better understanding then a quick start guide.. And all you don't understand --> search engine.
Thanks 😊 i will
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> Start here: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SRV :)
So i need to call my local ISP and request from them SRV RECORD to my ip adress ?
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Thats should i need to do ?
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You said you have dynamic dns setup, that means you already have an A or AAAA record with your IP address, so check with them if they allow adding SRV records
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If your dns provider is your ISP, then yes, ask them
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Ask them i need SRV Record ?
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Yep
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They know it
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They add that service from there system to my ip ?
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My dynamic dns on no-ip
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Usually they'd give you web interface for doing that
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Without srv records and without the standard server-to-server connection port number, I think you'd be unable to receive messages from other servers. But at least clients should be able to connect, by specifying the non-standard port number
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mwk
23:39:13
Ya
mwk
23:39:45
> Usually they'd give you web interface for doing that
Can add srv in no-ip website that i added in ddns
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mjk
23:40:44
Good
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mjk
23:41:23
Next, read up on the necessary xmpp srv records somewhere in the interwebs :)
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mwk
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If i dont need to communicate with other servers . So no need for srv record? If just me and my family connect to my host server dynamic dns ,.from lan or from outside 3g or 4g phone , so in this case , no need srv ?
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