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  221. perflyst tom: as mentioned in the mail yesterday you are the first reporting this issue. logs are now active to get some more information why exactly that happens. will let you know
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  246. tom Thanks perf
  247. tom I saw your message
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  371. Andrew Hansen Hi guys, I'm new to this. I've just setup my own ejabberd xmpp server, everything is running great, will see how it all goes.
  372. Ge0rG do you have in-band-registration enabled? If yes, spammers will appreciate that ;)
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  377. jayteeuk Andrew Hansen: Welcome!
  378. christian Ge0rG: i habe it enabled. And i am controlling the situation well ;-)
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  426. e2e.ee Why do spammers use in-band registration? Why do spammers create lots and lots of accounts? What advantage does that give them?
  427. e2e.ee I am not a spammer... so I need to ask. 🤣
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  430. Licaon_Kter e2e.ee: you need an account to send messages, not sure what's the confusing part
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  432. pintosesk I guess if you look at it from a statistical point of view, it increases the yield of the operation.
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  435. pintosesk Whether or not it's diminishing returns depends on how effective each bot is at its task.
  436. e2e.ee But, the spammers can create accounts from the website, so why prefer in-band reg?
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  438. jonas’ e2e.ee, you need to write a new parser for each new website
  439. jonas’ in-band is standardized
  440. jonas’ you only need to write a single thing which can do that
  441. e2e.ee How many accounts do they typically create in-band?
  442. jonas’ 50 lines in aioxmpp, done
  443. jonas’ a lot.
  444. mathieui a lot.
  445. jonas’ but sometimes also not a lot
  446. jonas’ I hear
  447. jonas’ but tehn again, a lot, but not at the same time
  448. e2e.ee "a lot" 😂 sounds funny. tens? hundreds? thousands? more?
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  452. mathieui if left unsupervised without throttling, yes, they will easily create thousands
  453. e2e.ee Wow. That sucks.
  454. e2e.ee Have a wonderful day everyone!
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  459. jayteeuk e2e.ee: You too!
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  461. Ge0rG Yeah, speaking from experience, you get multiple hundreds to ~1000 accounts per batch, using a wordlist alphabetically, spreading the registration over Tor / open proxies to circumvent per-IP limits
  462. Ge0rG later they'll login, one after another, all from the same IP, and send a dozen spam messages to different JIDs each
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  655. e2e.ee Ge0rG: That is interesting.
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  658. e2e.ee Ge0rG: what happened to your yax vCard image? I don't see it today.
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  660. Ge0rG Dunno
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  662. Ge0rG Maybe there was a yak shaving accident.
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  664. e2e.ee https://e2e.ee/upload/SjGAto02yn_q_ls4/20210204_114110.jpg
  665. jonas’ oh indeed, it’s gone
  666. e2e.ee Update the image to republish.
  667. jonas’ paint a mask on your yak while you’re ati t
  668. jonas’ paint a mask on your yak while you’re at it
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  673. Ge0rG that yak is from 1989, it's immune to global pandemics from the 2020s.
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  676. jonas’ but is it a sterelising immunity?
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  691. mimi89999 Establishing a secure connection from lebihan.pl to national-security.agency failed. Certificate hash: 20ca7c29f7942173de8718a092cf0593f5ab445fe082a02a35801fd2770f6ac8. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired.
  692. mimi89999 Whoever that it
  693. mimi89999 .
  694. mimi89999 Ping
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  697. Licaon_Kter mimi89999: pong
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  700. mimi89999 Establishing a secure connection from lebihan.pl to national-security.agency failed. Certificate hash: 20ca7c29f7942173de8718a092cf0593f5ab445fe082a02a35801fd2770f6ac8. Error with certificate 0: certificate has expired.
  701. neox national-security.agency 🤔️
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  709. Martin On http they forward to https://www.nsa.gov/ 😁
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