XMPP Service Operators - 2021-02-26

Is there any tooling to migrate jid together with the message archives?

Apologies if this the wrong place to ask, but is there a XEP for handling cryptocurrency payments in the works? I looked here, but didn't see one: https://xmpp.org/extensions/

a gnu-taler xep would be awesome

there was this: https://www.voucher-safe.org/ but I think this was abandoned years ago

Ideally the standard(s) would specify how: 1. Users send payments to each other 2. Service operators charge for account creation, MUC creation, 3. Service operators/users use crypto payments as anti-spam feature (ie users could set a price for message delivery, which could be waived/refunded for whitelisted individuals).

IMHO, given that the cryptocurrency hype has come and gone (all ponzi schemes anyways) and no one n the XMPP community has every seriously attempted to make something like that, I think it is safe to assume it will not happen. Better ask over at Matrix, after all they are partially funded by cryptocurrencies.

*ever

While there are certainly a lot of scamcoins, to paint them all as ponzi schemes is ridiculous.

feel free to disagree, but I think the entire idea is totally misguided and a failure to understand the purpose of currencies.

currencies are used for payments. i'm working on doing required donations via lightning network to get accounts on our server. having an XEP for doing in-band payment handling via lightning would not be useless imo

could also use interledger or something else i guess. just not what we'll do for ourselves

gnu taler would indeed be an option. personally i think it's the worst idea i can imagine, but obviously others think it's the only good one

(disclaimer: i think most of this can also be done without being an xmpp extension)

From my perspective the right approach would be to be cryptocurrency agnostic, and define the standard for which crypto wallets talk to the XMPP network.

sure. but i don't see how it's possible with vastly different technologies

Then service operators could decide which wallets they would support (gnu-taler, monero, bitcoin, etc).

"wallet" just means private key. it can be a key to very different networks with completely different concepts for how payments are done

interledger tries to be a common standard for it, but unfortunately no support for lightning yet, afaik

For example, part of the standard could be a defined mechanism to signal which wallets the XMPP service provider supports.

i guess, yeah

In any case, my purpose is not to hash out the standard here. I'm just trying to find out if anyone else is working one, so I don't duplicate effort.

Or to find a better place to ask my question.

afaik, nobody's working on something like that

but definitely ask around some more

Thanks!