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  874. andrey.utkin Is there any tooling to migrate jid together with the message archives?
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  970. archerships Apologies if this the wrong place to ask, but is there a XEP for handling cryptocurrency payments in the works? I looked here, but didn't see one: https://xmpp.org/extensions/
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  972. Kris a gnu-taler xep would be awesome
  973. Kris there was this: https://www.voucher-safe.org/ but I think this was abandoned years ago
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  978. archerships Ideally the standard(s) would specify how: 1. Users send payments to each other 2. Service operators charge for account creation, MUC creation, 3. Service operators/users use crypto payments as anti-spam feature (ie users could set a price for message delivery, which could be waived/refunded for whitelisted individuals).
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  982. Kris IMHO, given that the cryptocurrency hype has come and gone (all ponzi schemes anyways) and no one n the XMPP community has every seriously attempted to make something like that, I think it is safe to assume it will not happen. Better ask over at Matrix, after all they are partially funded by cryptocurrencies.
  983. Kris *ever
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  1000. archerships While there are certainly a lot of scamcoins, to paint them all as ponzi schemes is ridiculous.
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  1005. Kris feel free to disagree, but I think the entire idea is totally misguided and a failure to understand the purpose of currencies.
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  1008. raucao currencies are used for payments. i'm working on doing required donations via lightning network to get accounts on our server. having an XEP for doing in-band payment handling via lightning would not be useless imo
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  1011. raucao could also use interledger or something else i guess. just not what we'll do for ourselves
  1012. raucao gnu taler would indeed be an option. personally i think it's the worst idea i can imagine, but obviously others think it's the only good one
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  1016. raucao (disclaimer: i think most of this can also be done without being an xmpp extension)
  1017. archerships From my perspective the right approach would be to be cryptocurrency agnostic, and define the standard for which crypto wallets talk to the XMPP network.
  1018. raucao sure. but i don't see how it's possible with vastly different technologies
  1019. archerships Then service operators could decide which wallets they would support (gnu-taler, monero, bitcoin, etc).
  1020. raucao "wallet" just means private key. it can be a key to very different networks with completely different concepts for how payments are done
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  1024. raucao interledger tries to be a common standard for it, but unfortunately no support for lightning yet, afaik
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  1026. archerships For example, part of the standard could be a defined mechanism to signal which wallets the XMPP service provider supports.
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  1028. raucao i guess, yeah
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  1030. archerships In any case, my purpose is not to hash out the standard here. I'm just trying to find out if anyone else is working one, so I don't duplicate effort.
  1031. archerships Or to find a better place to ask my question.
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  1034. raucao afaik, nobody's working on something like that
  1035. raucao but definitely ask around some more
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  1044. archerships Thanks!
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