XMPP Service Operators - 2021-03-04

When I joined Matrix HQ room for first time today, I saw participants count of 12000+.

I was kind a upset.

With Snikket, JoinJabber etc, lets make XMPP great again. :-)

raghavgururajan: if you count everyone who ever joined a room, numbers are bound to be impressive

mathieui: The count was real-time. Now its 6000+. In my morning it was 12000+.

raghavgururajan: room membership in Matrix is permanent unless you choose to leave

The count includes offline users and people who will never come back

I believe they have a bot to clear up membership after a period of inactivity

> 13420 Is there a way to know how many are online?

I believe that's disabled on matrix.org for performance reasons

In Matrix presence is a fully optional feature

> MattJ‎: raghavgururajan: room membership in Matrix is permanent unless you choose to leave Oh I didn't know that.

raghavgururajan: > When I joined Matrix HQ room for first time today, I saw participants count of 12000+. > I was kind a upset. It's fun to search for users on matrix.org and find your bridge ghosts as `_xmpp_yourname=2fmucname=40conference.domain.tld:matrix.org`

So these are users? Yeah... VCs love usernumber go wrooomm

Licaon_Kter, I joined Matrix HQ from XMPP.

VCs?

raghavgururajan, venture capital people

Ah

Hello people. In light of the gradual "sunsetting" the v2 of onion services in Tor later this year [1], I figured it's as good a time to ask as any, how prepared are the operators offering v2-only. The pretty v3 names aren't gonna brute themselves. ;) [1](https://blog.torproject.org/v2-deprecation-timeline) CC creep.im

>The count includes offline users and people who will never come back A very popular technique that depends on the actual number of users. Currently, there are about 80,000 servers in XMPP. According to the statistics in The Matrix, there are supposedly 20,000 servers, but we all understand that the matrix network statistics provided by the developers are an unreliable source. I wouldn't be surprised if they count offline servers or bridged XMPP servers in their statistics.

I am hated in the Matrix and blocked everywhere

seems like you took the red pill 😉

404.city: try not to get here too ;)

Chat with 12000 technically can't exist. In chatting with 70 real users xmpp:ru@chat.404.city?join , there were times when they generated several simultaneous messages per second. It is physically impossible to load 1200 messages per second and read it

90:10:1 rule

so that chat is basically 120 real users ✏

404.city: they can exist, what I don't get is why are so few talking?

Eg. In Conversations MUC there are moments of silence, but when speaking there are 4-5 users saying stuff Now...extrapolate that 30x...and still silence?

xmpp has less lurkers somehow

could be for inflated numbers or simply higher mainstream appeal of matrix

>Kris‎: so that chat is basically 120 real users Here the operator conference and the range of topics are limited. The RuChat allow offtop.

I mean the matrix chat with the 12000 users (90% lurkers, 10% occasional and including that 1% regular contributors, golden internet rule)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

But in any case, 12,000 real people cannot be moderated. Not physically successful, read hundreds of messages simultaneously while actively discussing. It is very difficult when even 10 people are writing to you at the same time, and when hundreds are writing to you, it's hell.

yes it just becomes noise

mjk: I didn't even see v3 onions coming, thanks for the heads up!

creep.im: you're welcome!

hi , nice to be (first time) here ...

jl4: welcome!

thanks Sam . just FYI, to share the fact that we are using Prosody "under the hood" ... for commenting purposes :

on Peertube 's videos , at https://fediverse.tv

oh cool, I didn't know Peertube used prosody

jl4: https://github.com/JohnXLivingston/peertube-plugin-livechat or something else?

> oh cool, I didn't know Peertube used prosody non standard, we integrated it with ...

Hey jl4, welcome! :)

🙃 MattJ

> jl4: https://github.com/JohnXLivingston/peertube-plugin-livechat or something else? i'm asking about it, to the guy behind the integration

Licaon_Kter:

yes, seems to be the case ∆∆

xmpp-livechat for peertube, sounds great

Amazing guys this new feature. Need for Newpipe as well 🙏

😀

BaBa, are you familiar with android development? i'm not but there's no reason it can't be done :)

southerntofu: hahah hv no CS degree hahahahah. Common man. But dont under estimate :P

i know many developers who dont have a CS degree :)

southerntofu: sorry i dont know much about development

no time like the present to learn :D