XMPP Service Operators - 2021-03-04


  1. raghavgururajan

    When I joined Matrix HQ room for first time today, I saw participants count of 12000+.

  2. raghavgururajan

    I was kind a upset.

  3. raghavgururajan

    With Snikket, JoinJabber etc, lets make XMPP great again. :-)

  4. mathieui

    raghavgururajan: if you count everyone who ever joined a room, numbers are bound to be impressive

  5. raghavgururajan

    mathieui: The count was real-time. Now its 6000+. In my morning it was 12000+.

  6. MattJ

    raghavgururajan: room membership in Matrix is permanent unless you choose to leave

  7. MattJ

    The count includes offline users and people who will never come back

  8. MattJ

    I believe they have a bot to clear up membership after a period of inactivity

  9. kikuchiyo

    > 13420 Is there a way to know how many are online?

  10. MattJ

    I believe that's disabled on matrix.org for performance reasons

  11. MattJ

    In Matrix presence is a fully optional feature

  12. raghavgururajan

    > MattJβ€Ž: raghavgururajan: room membership in Matrix is permanent unless you choose to leave Oh I didn't know that.

  13. raghavgururajan faceplams

  14. Licaon_Kter

    raghavgururajan: > When I joined Matrix HQ room for first time today, I saw participants count of 12000+. > I was kind a upset. It's fun to search for users on matrix.org and find your bridge ghosts as `_xmpp_yourname=2fmucname=40conference.domain.tld:matrix.org`

  15. Licaon_Kter

    So these are users? Yeah... VCs love usernumber go wrooomm

  16. raghavgururajan

    Licaon_Kter, I joined Matrix HQ from XMPP.

  17. raghavgururajan

    VCs?

  18. wiktor

    raghavgururajan, venture capital people

  19. raghavgururajan

    Ah

  20. mjk

    Hello people. In light of the gradual "sunsetting" the v2 of onion services in Tor later this year [1], I figured it's as good a time to ask as any, how prepared are the operators offering v2-only. The pretty v3 names aren't gonna brute themselves. ;) [1](https://blog.torproject.org/v2-deprecation-timeline) CC creep.im

  21. 404.city

    >The count includes offline users and people who will never come back A very popular technique that depends on the actual number of users. Currently, there are about 80,000 servers in XMPP. According to the statistics in The Matrix, there are supposedly 20,000 servers, but we all understand that the matrix network statistics provided by the developers are an unreliable source. I wouldn't be surprised if they count offline servers or bridged XMPP servers in their statistics.

  22. 404.city

    I am hated in the Matrix and blocked everywhere

  23. Kris

    seems like you took the red pill πŸ˜‰

  24. Licaon_Kter

    404.city: try not to get here too ;)

  25. 404.city

    Chat with 12000 technically can't exist. In chatting with 70 real users xmpp:ru@chat.404.city?join , there were times when they generated several simultaneous messages per second. It is physically impossible to load 1200 messages per second and read it

  26. Kris

    90:10:1 rule

  27. Kris

    so that chat is basically 120 users

  28. Kris

    so that chat is basically 120 real users

  29. Licaon_Kter

    404.city: they can exist, what I don't get is why are so few talking?

  30. Licaon_Kter

    Eg. In Conversations MUC there are moments of silence, but when speaking there are 4-5 users saying stuff Now...extrapolate that 30x...and still silence?

  31. Kris

    xmpp has less lurkers somehow

  32. Kris

    could be for inflated numbers or simply higher mainstream appeal of matrix

  33. 404.city

    >Krisβ€Ž: so that chat is basically 120 real users Here the operator conference and the range of topics are limited. The RuChat allow offtop.

  34. Kris

    I mean the matrix chat with the 12000 users (90% lurkers, 10% occasional and including that 1% regular contributors, golden internet rule)

  35. Kris

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1%25_rule_(Internet_culture)

  36. 404.city

    But in any case, 12,000 real people cannot be moderated. Not physically successful, read hundreds of messages simultaneously while actively discussing. It is very difficult when even 10 people are writing to you at the same time, and when hundreds are writing to you, it's hell.

  37. Kris

    yes it just becomes noise

  38. creep.im

    mjk: I didn't even see v3 onions coming, thanks for the heads up!

  39. mjk

    creep.im: you're welcome!

  40. jl4

    hi , nice to be (first time) here ...

  41. Sam

    jl4: welcome!

  42. jl4

    thanks Sam . just FYI, to share the fact that we are using Prosody "under the hood" ... for commenting purposes :

  43. jl4

    on Peertube 's videos , at https://fediverse.tv

  44. Sam

    oh cool, I didn't know Peertube used prosody

  45. Licaon_Kter

    jl4: https://github.com/JohnXLivingston/peertube-plugin-livechat or something else?

  46. jl4

    > oh cool, I didn't know Peertube used prosody non standard, we integrated it with ...

  47. MattJ

    Hey jl4, welcome! :)

  48. jl4

    πŸ™ƒ MattJ

  49. jl4

    > jl4: https://github.com/JohnXLivingston/peertube-plugin-livechat or something else? i'm asking about it, to the guy behind the integration

  50. jl4

    Licaon_Kter:

  51. jl4

    yes, seems to be the case βˆ†βˆ†

  52. southerntofu

    xmpp-livechat for peertube, sounds great

  53. BaBa

    Amazing guys this new feature. Need for Newpipe as well πŸ™

  54. BaBa

    πŸ˜€

  55. southerntofu

    BaBa, are you familiar with android development? i'm not but there's no reason it can't be done :)

  56. BaBa

    southerntofu: hahah hv no CS degree hahahahah. Common man. But dont under estimate :P

  57. southerntofu

    i know many developers who dont have a CS degree :)

  58. BaBa

    southerntofu: sorry i dont know much about development

  59. moparisthebest

    no time like the present to learn :D