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  288. tom Is it theoretically or practically possible for a TCP connection to fail to setup over a loopback interface? Assuming the transport is perfectly ideal eg, the linux kernel loopback interface; Can you expect TCP to work 100% of the time?
  289. jonas’ tom, no
  290. jonas’ there are always resource limits which can be hit, e.g. lack of available source ports
  291. tom Say you check the return code of prosody's HTTP server for a 200OK every 10 seconds for months on end
  292. tom One fails
  293. tom Otherwise the logs don't report anything good AND the daemon quitting successfully with a regular SIGTERM
  294. tom Should I suspect prosody's failure or check_http's failure
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  296. tom I've got plenty of headroom there jonas
  297. jonas’ tom, which daemon quit?
  298. tom Prosody
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  300. tom I have a screen which checks prosody's health every 10 seconds
  301. tom And restarts the daemon if it doesn't work
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  316. Licaon_Kter OVH on fire, everyone is up? https://nitter.fdn.fr/olesovhcom
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  318. tom What kind of hosting company releases updates over some third party social media service instead of their own website
  319. tom That is laughable
  320. jonas’ using a third party service is exactly what you should do
  321. jonas’ and exactly what should be in your plans
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  323. jonas’ when your DC is on fire, you cannot rely on your own website being available
  324. tom Speaking of, what kind of datacenter catches on fire
  325. jonas’ any datacenter can catch fire
  326. tom Their built not to though
  327. jonas’ rumors are that this was an arc fault in DC equipment. if that happens at the right amperage, you can only let it burn down
  328. tom Halon systems and whatnot
  329. jonas’ halon systems are forbidden in the EU since the 90ies
  330. tom » <jonas’> when your DC is on fire, you cannot rely on your own website being available OVH is big enough to have an HA webserver, or at least anycast
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  333. jonas’ tom, they also have that: https://status.us.ovhcloud.com/
  334. jonas’ so maybe also stop assuming that twitter is their only communication channel ;)
  335. jonas’ the OVH folks aren’t idiots
  336. Licaon_Kter > OVH SAS hosts 54 XMPP servers: ['404.city', '57n.org', 'alternanet.fr', 'biboumail.fr', 'bonjourbonjour.win', 'brie.tech', 'chat.mass-trespass.uk', 'chatme.im', 'chif.fr', 'creep.im', 'cybercod.com', 'death.social', 'etwinning.ovh', 'feichtmayr.com', 'fisle.eu', 'gdr.name', 'hildebrand.pro', 'hostux.im', 'howlettmartin.com', 'im.ameci.org', 'im.logipren.com', 'im.mastd.racing', 'im.openalgeria.org', 'jabber.libre-informatique.fr', 'jabber.otr.im', 'jix.im', 'ketchupma.io', 'lain.church', 'libreti.net', 'maillard.im', 'mass-trespass.uk', 'mathdacloud.ovh', 'maxhill.de', 'momi.ca', 'napis.xyz', 'natalie.ee', 'netsec.im', 'openalgeria.org', 'parleur.net', 'qth.fr', 'seeadoc.ca', 'spritneybeers.de', 'stuff2233.club', 'suchat.org', 'tamytro.org', 'thesecure.biz', 'utsuro.ml', 'xmpp.dk', 'xmpp.fossgalaxy.com', 'xmpp.howlettmartin.com', 'xmpp.ps-ef.net', 'xmpp.re', 'xmpp.taiga-san.net', 'xmpp.zered.net'] from https://codeberg.org/infosechandbook/scripts/raw/branch/master/other/xmpp-server-hosters.txt
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  338. jonas’ hopefully none of them in SBG[1234]
  339. Licaon_Kter creep.im: U ok?
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  342. mike chatme.im has been offline for a couple of years now, that list doesn't look very current.
  343. tom You can never be too sure with people who use twatter or tracebook for anything other than marketing to their own websites
  344. Licaon_Kter https://www.searchenginejournal.com/ovh-data-center-fire-darkens-thousands-of-sites-worldwide/398485/
  345. jonas’ also, if you are the CEO of a cloud company whose DC just literally went up in flames… I don’t fucking blame you for using twitter.
  346. Licaon_Kter mike: 2019
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  348. tom Thanks for that list Licaon_Kter
  349. mike Yeah that's about when I last recall seeing it online.
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  351. tom » <jonas’> also, if you are the CEO of a cloud company whose DC just literally went up in flames… I don’t fucking blame you for using twitter. jonas’, when disasters happen on this scale there were several things and factors that were festering for a very long time that allow them to happen
  352. jonas’ tom, I don’t think that’s necessarily true.
  353. Licaon_Kter tom: fire and twitter accounts don't mix, c'mon
  354. jonas’ but before speculating, maybe wait for a post mortem?
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  356. Licaon_Kter I bet the CEO did not put the nuts and bolt of the building :)
  357. tom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWGHprpu4SI
  358. Licaon_Kter Yes, hopefully they'll do a postmortem
  359. tom Mismanagement at best
  360. jonas’ also, I’d like you to be a bit more thoughtful
  361. jonas’ the engineers which are now having a real bad day might even be here if they run a private XMPP server
  362. tom We
  363. tom We will see
  364. tom Licaon_Kter: » >The last big downtime crisis at OVH also happened at the Strasbourg campus. A power outage in 2017 brought the entire campus down. Forty minutes later, its campus in Roubaix lost connectivity due to an unrelated software bug in networking equipment.
  365. tom They have been having "power problems" for a very long time
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  372. tom https://nitter.vxempire.xyz/pic/media%2FEwGyxvUXYAEem2D.jpg%3Fname%3Dorig
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  406. creep.im Licaon_Kter: I'm good, thank you
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  522. Kris otherwise the xmpp world seems fine?
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  533. moparisthebest there's always a silver lining https://twitter.com/craiu/status/1369633870786797568
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  541. Licaon_Kter moparisthebest: the "known" but not taken down part is...odd...c'mon...
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  544. Kris I find it interesting in just how much the cloud hosting pricing race to the bottom has not only resulted in massive overprovisioning of VPS hardware, but also servers being hosted in litteral old shipping containers (and buildings that seem hardly more in substance).
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  548. moparisthebest are you saying recycling is bad ? :P
  549. Kris does anyone remember that study that showed most xmpp servers are hosted on Hetzner infra? all I can find right now is a similar one on Mastodon servers: https://bitkeks.eu/blog/2020/03/underlying-problem-fediverse-decentralised-platforms.html
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  556. moparisthebest I'm not sure that's a problem though, I mean, assuming proper backups etc it should be easy to quickly fail over to anywhere else
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  559. Kris to some extend yes. but some of the privacy benefits of xmpp are lost when the data just moves from one server to the other in the same datacenter
  560. Kris in regards to metadata
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  567. moparisthebest I'm not sure, the datacenter has more visibility, but state actors likely have less
  568. Licaon_Kter Kris: so...you say I should make my own datacenter first? Host at home? "Oh terrible" Host at hosting? "Oh noes" Effing move the goalpost further
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  572. Kris hostng at home (depending on your ISP) is great
  573. Kris and at least in theory it can be even greater with ip6
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  575. Kris but what I am actually saying: some awareness of datacenter centralisation and resulting issues is probably good to have
  576. Kris people complan about AWS and then happily host their stuff on Hetzner because it costs 20ct less per month
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  578. moparisthebest I don't know that there's an easy solution though, generally I like a reliable provider other people are happy with, not a brand new one I have to test first
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  581. Kris yeah no easy solutions to that one
  582. xorman p2p
  583. Ge0rG just move it into the cloud with homomorphic encryption!
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  588. Kris fefe reader exposed
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  590. Ge0rG covfefe?
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  593. Licaon_Kter > fefe reader exposed :)
  594. Kris ah maybe not. famous german IT blogger just had a bit rant about homomorphic encryption 😉
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  596. Kris ah maybe not. famous german IT blogger just had a big rant about homomorphic encryption 😉
  597. jonas’ FWIW, I don’t host at hetzner because they’re cheap, but because they’re the *only* european hoster I was able to find which: - offers proper IPv6 (= /64 or greater, *routed* to the server) - proper virtualization (no virtuozzo or lxc, real kvm) - isn’t super shady, i.e. offers at least GDPR-compliant contractor things (I only know the german term, "Auftragsverarbeitungsvertrag")
  598. jonas’ if you know another ISP which offers that, I would *really* like to know, because currently most of my stuff is in the same AZ (hetzner’s) and I like cross-AZ redundancy
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  601. jonas’ it still needs to be affordable though, >15 Eur/month for a mail server is not something I’m going to invest.
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  603. Kris netcup.de has the same I think, but also in germany
  604. moparisthebest I moved to hetzner in about 2013 after using many other hosts over many years and so far they've been the best
  605. jonas’ netcup is on my do-not-use-list
  606. Kris why?
  607. jonas’ I had very bad interactions with them when moving a domain from them to another registrar
  608. moparisthebest it's always good to see other suggestions though
  609. ben i like hetzner and ovh, currently using soyoustart
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  611. Kris ah, yes they are a bit possessive of their .de domains
  612. ben i ordered an ax101 from hetzner like a month ago one evening while a bit drunk
  613. ben still trying to decide what to put on it
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  617. moparisthebest isn't soyoustart also ovh ?
  618. Ge0rG Kris: of *their* .de domains? ;)
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  620. Ge0rG well, DNS is obviously black magic that nobody understands.
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  622. Kris Yeah, DNS... but kind of understandable as labour costs for even 5 minutes of support on 20ct/month domain name reselling basically wipes out any profit for the next 10 years.
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  646. Ge0rG I'm looking for somebody from omemo.im
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  651. vanitasvitae Ge0rG, their website lists contact@omemo.im
  652. Ge0rG vanitasvitae: and their 0157 lists an email address, but they have no MX.
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  654. Ge0rG vanitasvitae: I pinged the JID an hour ago
  655. vanitasvitae hm
  656. Ge0rG maybe I just shouldn't expect express delivery.
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  661. jonas’ PSA: I changed the JID of the search.jabber.network crawler. It is now crawler@search.jabber.network. So don’t be surprised if you see that in your logs instead of the old christopher.muclumbus@search.jabbercat.org
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  667. Licaon_Kter From 2018 > > JID: contact@omemo.im > According to https://omemo.im/contact.html
  668. Licaon_Kter Nwm
  669. Licaon_Kter Nvm
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  732. Licaon_Kter http://travaux.ovh.net/?do=details&id=49484
  733. jonas’ aaand their issue tracker was slashdotted :)
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