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  219. southerntofu hello, maybe stupid question: is there a XEP for s2s network censorship circumvention? maybe something like BOSH for S2S?
  220. southerntofu someone was asking about that on lemmy.ml in a thread about nation-wide censorship of networks
  221. Link Mauve southerntofu, if your sole censorship threat is that some ports are blocked, you can run an XMPP service on port 443.
  222. Licaon_Kter SRVs to the rescue? southerntofu see XEP-0368
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  224. southerntofu yes i'm aware (though i don't think s2s on port 443 would work?) the question was more about chinese great firewall type of censorship, eg. my server can't communicate with yours
  225. southerntofu ah ok 443 is possible for s2s with SRV thanks :)
  226. Link Mauve (southerntofu, why wouldn’t it?)
  227. jonas’ southerntofu, with the chinese great firewall, not even a VPN rescues you
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  230. jonas’ you’re lost there, they’re experts in traffic analysis
  231. jonas’ they can distinguish facebook vs. google even when tunneled through a VPN just by traffic patterns
  232. southerntofu though i'm not sure it would be indistinguishable from HTTPS trafic
  233. jonas’ they’re really open about that, you can read their papers :)
  234. Martin But they don't seem to care about xmpp yet. It just worked without any VPN when I was in China.
  235. jonas’ southerntofu, it would, easily. HTTPS connections don’t live that long, the packet sizes, rates and reply/response correlations differ
  236. southerntofu jonas’, yeah there's still quite a lot you can do especially for a two-directional protocol like XMPP.. i mean people still use something-thats-like-a-VPN in China to access the rest of the network :)
  237. southerntofu btu sure correlation attacks are a thing
  238. southerntofu so my question was more like is BOSH for S2S possible? eg. REAL HTTPS for s2s connections?
  239. Link Mauve southerntofu, this wouldn’t solve the issue jonas’ is mentioning.
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  242. southerntofu indeed no, just make it harder
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  244. jonas’ barely, at the cost of making everything else terrible
  245. southerntofu i'm not familiar with details, but i heard tor project had good experiences with maskerading trafic as WWW to circumvent censorship (snowflake?)
  246. jonas’ I’d then rather look into similar measures on the s2s layer, instead of making s2s go over HTTPS and making everything terrible
  247. southerntofu anyway thanks for the answer in my view the real answer is to run some censorship-circumvention on top of existing services, not try to integrate imperfect solution in every service :)
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  893. Tim See "shapeshifting" https://www.pluggabletransports.info/transports/ (I've never tried it.)
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  908. xorman do you know of any reactions XEP?
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  911. moparisthebest xorman: https://xmpp.org/extensions/xep-0444.html
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  916. xorman thx
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  920. xorman I saw a discussion days ago about cryptocurrency integration talking mostly about payments, but really chat-currencies integration happens mostly around (monetizing) reactions
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