southerntofuhello, maybe stupid question: is there a XEP for s2s network censorship circumvention? maybe something like BOSH for S2S?
southerntofusomeone was asking about that on lemmy.ml in a thread about nation-wide censorship of networks
Link Mauvesoutherntofu, if your sole censorship threat is that some ports are blocked, you can run an XMPP service on port 443.
Licaon_KterSRVs to the rescue? southerntofu see XEP-0368
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southerntofuyes i'm aware (though i don't think s2s on port 443 would work?) the question was more about chinese great firewall type of censorship, eg. my server can't communicate with yours
southerntofuah ok 443 is possible for s2s with SRV thanks :)
Link Mauve(southerntofu, why wouldn’t it?)
jonas’southerntofu, with the chinese great firewall, not even a VPN rescues you
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jonas’you’re lost there, they’re experts in traffic analysis
jonas’they can distinguish facebook vs. google even when tunneled through a VPN just by traffic patterns
southerntofuthough i'm not sure it would be indistinguishable from HTTPS trafic
jonas’they’re really open about that, you can read their papers :)
MartinBut they don't seem to care about xmpp yet. It just worked without any VPN when I was in China.
jonas’southerntofu, it would, easily. HTTPS connections don’t live that long, the packet sizes, rates and reply/response correlations differ
southerntofujonas’, yeah there's still quite a lot you can do especially for a two-directional protocol like XMPP.. i mean people still use something-thats-like-a-VPN in China to access the rest of the network :)
southerntofubtu sure correlation attacks are a thing
southerntofuso my question was more like is BOSH for S2S possible? eg. REAL HTTPS for s2s connections?
Link Mauvesoutherntofu, this wouldn’t solve the issue jonas’ is mentioning.
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southerntofuindeed no, just make it harder
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jonas’barely, at the cost of making everything else terrible
southerntofui'm not familiar with details, but i heard tor project had good experiences with maskerading trafic as WWW to circumvent censorship (snowflake?)
jonas’I’d then rather look into similar measures on the s2s layer, instead of making s2s go over HTTPS and making everything terrible
southerntofuanyway thanks for the answer in my view the real answer is to run some censorship-circumvention on top of existing services, not try to integrate imperfect solution in every service :)
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TimSee "shapeshifting" https://www.pluggabletransports.info/transports/
(I've never tried it.)
xormanI saw a discussion days ago about cryptocurrency integration talking mostly about payments, but really chat-currencies integration happens mostly around (monetizing) reactions