XMPP Service Operators - 2021-04-05


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  3. tom x187x: will it federate with XMPP or will it be yet another centralized system?
  4. tom And also what moparisthebest said
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  179. x187x > x187x: is there any advantage at all vs just using XMPP? Less meta data retention on server side. encryption as standard so the users can't really mess up -so to speak. And we are working to ensure can federate the FOSS-sig-servers of people who want to run there own server seamlessly into Global privacy networks servers. it won't be compatible with xmpp clients. Thus my reasoning to setup my own xmpp server to still have this as an option.
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  224. thndrbvr x187x hey, that sounds pretty cool to me. Once federation works, I assume you'll be hiding server names in user handles for group chats? Have you looked into decentralization for group chats?
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  284. thndrbvr Here's something interesting to think about: https://synecdochic.dreamwidth.org/234496.html - Why Monetizing Social Media Through Advertising Is Doomed To Failure written by the personal account of one of the owners of DW who formally worked with LiveJournal.
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  323. Licaon_Kter thndrbvr: 2008? That aged well...yes
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  326. thndrbvr btw if anyone here is a dev.. remember how LiveJournal had (has?) XMPP? It seems like DW had to drop it when they forked. So, people are welcome to contribute whatever is needed! lol
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  329. tom Livejournal users have jods?
  330. tom Jids
  331. tom What's the address of lj's xmpp server, i want to check that place out
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  334. thndrbvr It's been a decade since I've used LJ. Ditched it shortly before I found DW. Read DW's Guiding Principles. They're dreamy. lol
  335. thndrbvr I think the LJ JID is just username@livejournal.com but I don't really remember.
  336. thndrbvr Anyway, LJ totally sucks now. It's turned into some abomination and plagued with adverts. I think they're also closed source now?
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  342. tom it appears so https://cdn.nuegia.net/4a007482-d22f-4def-89ae-aa66e8ee74b8/screenshot_001.png
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  347. thndrbvr https://www.livejournal.com/chat/ --> https://github.com/djabberd/
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  352. tom That's impressive at first glance
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  354. tom Is the server still up but c2s only eg federation gimped?
  355. tom Woah, earthlink had an XMPP service?
  356. tom I used to have earthlink's dialup never knew
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  358. thndrbvr I have no idea. They mention that they still play with others. Who knows how out of date any of that is. I was talking to a retired contributor to DW in #dreamwidth on freenode and he was saying they (dw) removed XMPP for three possible reasons. One of which is subscription / authorization related, one might be technical and there may have been non-free code to link the site to XMPP.
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  501. jl4 > Something with the US military. They generally go to other countries and do "good" things for the communities there. That's about all I know. found them in Senegal... but they seem to seek/ strategic US objectives (mining,etc...) undernearth the fancy 'NGO like umbrella'. umh...
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  511. Sam It's a bit off topic, but the Peace Corp doesn't have anything to do with the military. It's just citizens volunteering.
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  522. jl4 "In less than six months, the Peace Corps' stated purpose shifted from an agency that could serve important U.S. foreign policy interests to an institution focused ..." https://minds.wisconsin.edu/bitstream/handle/1793/35487/Koerten.doc?sequence=1&isAllowed=y
  523. jl4 well, i don't care , really...
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  644. rob I'm guessing there's no need for srv records with standard ports and a records
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  650. xorman rob: right, but recommended
  651. xorman legacy XMPP servers didn't use DNS records for port discovery at all, then they started using MX, then they moved to SRV
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  659. moparisthebest rob: nothing will do direct TLS without SRV records
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  675. rob Oh ok, I'll set them then
  676. rob Thanks everyone, should I bother setting legacy tls ports?
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  679. [czar] No
  680. Sam What do you mean "setting legacy TLS ports"? You mean in an xmpps record? Unless you have some other port you prefer for that I'd say "yes", it's best to set both so that clietns supporting implicit TLS can use the xmpps record
  681. [czar] > legacy XMPP servers didn't use DNS records for port discovery at all, then they started using MX, then they moved to SRV XMPP is one the few things in the world that uses SRV records
  682. [czar] Together with Minecraft and I can't remember nothing more
  683. Sam SIP uses them, and in theory email (but everything still uses MX in practice), but yah, mostly they didn't catch on.
  684. moparisthebest rob: prosody config calls them legacy SSL but actually that's modern TLS and you should set them
  685. moparisthebest Http3 comes with it's own replacement for srv records XMPP can start using though
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  687. moparisthebest As everyone knows, http gets wide adoption of whatever it wants immediately lol
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  689. rob Oh ok, I thought legacy meant legacy
  690. Sam You would think :)
  691. menel Wit was once legacy.. And now its modern again
  692. moparisthebest It was legacy SSL until some jerk came along and made a XEP that brought it back :)
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  699. tom moparisthebest: HTTP3 comes with built in tracking for google
  700. tom https://hacktivis.me/articles/HTTP3
  701. tom I mean we already had our web standards body sold out
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  703. tom Withw whatwg it's just whatever the latest version of google chrome is doing
  704. tom Why not built in tracking to the protocol itself
  705. tom All the more google google's machine to slurp up
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  712. rob After the records and xmpps port I'm just left to tackle proxy 65 and stun/turn
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  714. rob Then I think it's good for now
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  716. rob Should I be forcing starttls? I notice on xmpp.net under general, starttls is marked being allowed but it's yellow so I wonder if it's supposed to be forced. Or maybe that's related to not having xmpps setup
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  719. Martin I'd force it.
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  721. rob Thanks 🤓 I have my afternoon Todo list now
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  726. moparisthebest tom: that article is useless, it says it is tracking, no details
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  729. moparisthebest And yes force TLS, no excuse for plaintext on the internet
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  737. rob Cool, I'm doing more reading on the docs for my server and then I'll get configuring
  738. Licaon_Kter moparisthebest: the author is knowledgeable, afaik, pleroma dev etc Iirc, it's about quics bandwith tracking or whatnot
  739. moparisthebest I'd like to read more about it
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  745. Licaon_Kter I think I read about this years ago, but now there's https://www.theregister.com/2021/01/30/quic_fingerprinting_flaw/
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