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  718. thndrbvr To follow up on the topic of server location hosting from the other day, I messaged Flokinet and they replied with: we dont care what the US thinks or wants, we follow icelandic law. So why would we care about Third-party doctrine? Thats an US based law / idea. We are not in the US but Iceland. The US is "sniffing" 24/7/365 all data on this planet regardless whch country you host or operate in. Thats why you have to use proper encryption.
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  720. moparisthebest right, anything outside the USA the NSA will just gobble up in transit, it's not allowed to do that inside the USA, but any law enforcement is allowed to simply request all data hosted at 3rd parties, so it doesn't need to
  721. moparisthebest I agree, encryption is a must regardless, but hosting at your own house is a added benefit if you can do it
  722. thndrbvr But they collect data from inside the US anyway. They're just not always allowed to use it without a warrant.
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  725. thndrbvr Hosting the server yourself only protects you. Anyone else who signs up is signing up at a third party unless they're part owner in the company of "Mopar's XMPP Server, LLC" or whatever.
  726. moparisthebest yep, I'm saying ideally everyone hosts their own server in their house
  727. moparisthebest for themselves and their family
  728. thndrbvr I'm not sure family members, who aren't also admins to any degree, would even be protected. Except maybe a spouse or <18 child.
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  732. moparisthebest I guess if someone asked for details from my brother's account via 3rd party doctrine I could at the least tell him :P
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  734. Kris Hmm, I guess it depends on the country, but I think often direct relatives (siblings, parents, children) regardless of age are within your right not to be a witness to crime
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  736. Kris or however that is called in legalese. IANAL obviously
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  759. ernst.on.tour moparisthebest: > .... I could at the least tell him :P You *could* but you are *not allowed* to do so, as newest law in germany told you since yesterday 😡
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  804. Kris ernst.on.tour, you got a link for that?
  805. Kris can be in german
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  823. rob I think if some government wanted data off my server I'd just burn it 😊
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  834. xorman back to thermite hosting
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  872. tom You really shouldn't rely on thermite in the age of freely available mature open source full disk encryption
  873. xorman $5 wrenches are also widely available
  874. tom Instead of burning the disk, which isn't a guarantee the platter, just destroy your key material
  875. tom Which is only a few bytes in size
  876. tom And shouldn't be stored on the same storage medium as your ciphertext
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  880. tom Configure a watchdog program to watch the tamper sensors
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  882. tom Most if not all ECC memory zeros itself on reset. If your keys are stored in ram and a tamper switch is tripped you could just immediate reset the server, wiping keys from memory and rendering the confidential data unusable to the attacker
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  884. tom There really is no excuse to not do disk encryption nowadays as even consumer CPUs have hardware acceleration for AES
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  886. rob Yes I didn't mean fire, but delete and overwrite
  887. tom It prevents some asshole in the datacenter from going over to your server and yoinking out a drive
  888. tom What also prevents someone from doing that is PLEASE DO install the SECURITY BEZEL the server came with
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  891. tom I know it's just a simple physical lock and key latch mechnism but it does provide a physical barrier from people screwing with your server
  892. tom Also cages in the datacenter
  893. tom But those can be expensive
  894. tom A bezel is free
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  896. tom Rob It takes too long to delete and overwrite terabytes of data
  897. tom There's also the possibility of recovery
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  899. tom Deploying full disk encryption makes the process of decommissioning drives so much cheaper, as you can even resell the used drives to make a little bit of money back
  900. tom Without having to worry about a data breach
  901. rob And my server is at home, but yes I agree. I think if I actually had anything to hide and it had to be transmitted digitally I would use a second key pair on a hardware device. But if they really want to get your data they will somehow
  902. tom You don't have to make it easy for them
  903. tom And if it's a physical server at your house that's easier because you don't have to implement some kind of remote partial init to ssh in and enter keys and check system integrity you can just walk over to a machine, boot it up, enter keys
  904. tom There's not just the government to worry about
  905. tom What happens if someone breaks into you home
  906. tom Steals your server
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  909. tom Better to think about these things now, than lose sleep when it actually happens and prey and hope that the robber isn't smart enough or doesn't sell your drives to someone smart enough to mount a unix filesystem
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  912. rob True, but I wonder how hard it's going to be moving a btrfs pool to full disk encryption. I've only ever started a new system with it
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  914. tom rob: ZFS has encrypted datasets
  915. tom Try that
  916. tom It's also much more mature than btrfs
  917. tom Doesn't have a write hole