XMPP Service Operators - 2021-04-09

  1. thndrbvr

    > rob wrote: > I think if some government wanted data off my server I'd just burn it 😊 I'm pretty sure that's considered tampering with evidence and illegal. Plus, they'd argue that since you did that then you must have something to hide which is coincidentally whatever they're trying to get you on.

  2. raghavgururajan


  3. raghavgururajan

    I sent this email to IETF.

  4. raghavgururajan

    Why IETF should keep XMPP as IM standard, instead of Matrix? (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/Cj7n-7HwsN8xBzXCjD1pjD1j9Cg/)

  5. thndrbvr

    Why not both?

  6. raghavgururajan

    Two different standards for same application? conflicts, confustion, duplicate efforts, etc ..

  7. moparisthebest

    > Matrix seems to be started because of ignorance. Bahahahahaha raghavgururajan I almost spit out my drink, +1

  8. raghavgururajan


  9. moparisthebest

    Probably more greed for that sweet sweet investor money instead to be honest

  10. rob

    I'll have a look tom, better now than when I have double digit terabytes on it

  11. rob

    raghavgururajan: good message. Side note, how can I subscribe to this list?

  12. tom

    The IETF was considering making matrix a standard?

  13. tom

    Instead of XMPP

  14. tom

    Have they been smokin too much gonja?

  15. moparisthebest

    I think using matrix for ietf communication?

  16. tom


  17. raghavgururajan

    rob: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss

  18. rob

    Thank you

  19. tom

    » ob> I'll have a look tom, better now than when I have double digit terabytes on it yeah. But also, if you use ZFS and have enough free space in your zpool, you can encrypt an already existing dataset by snapshotting it and sending it to a decentent of an encrypted dataset

  20. tom

    Or copying the files over to a new encrypted dataset

  21. tom

    Destroying the old dataset, and renaming the new one in place of the old one

  22. moparisthebest

    With a btrfs array you can just replace an unencrypted device with an encrypted one one at a time

  23. tom

    You have to do the whole device?

  24. tom


  25. tom

    What is the point of having an encrypted and unencrypted device in the same system

  26. tom

    Or do you mean your replacing the underlying block device members

  27. moparisthebest

    Btrfs doesn't have built in encryption, so you either do block level under it or file level on top

  28. tom


  29. moparisthebest

    Yes, replacing them all until they are all encrypted

  30. tom

    You can use LUKS or Geli with ZFS too, but you don't need to because zfs encrypted datasets exist

  31. tom

    Be careful not to encrypt your boot disk

  32. ernst.on.tour

    Kris: https://www.heise.de/news/Gesetzespaket-gegen-Hass-und-zur-Passwortherausgabe-tritt-in-Kraft-6004554.html

  33. Kris

    Hmm, I don't see anything in that link that would impact your "Auskunftsverweigerungsrecht"

  34. Kris


  35. Kris

    and according to the source I am looking right now, it covers your life-partner and anyone up to 3rd grade directly related, so basically your full extended family

  36. Kris

    also funny: if your priest runs your XMPP server, this also falls under special protection in Germany. Maybe time to start that Spaghetti Monster idea again 😉

  37. Kris

    (this actually includes anyne working with your priest, so basically that might be an interesting legal loop-hole for server operators)

  38. Kris

    but IANAL of course 😉

  39. ernst.on.tour

    If I understand the law the right way, I have to offer every information (incl. passwords) to the gov, regardless if my brother or a friend is written hatespeech. The person isn't known by me, because he only use a pseudo not his clearname.

  40. Kris

    My understanding is that if you know it is your direct relative you can refuse implicating him/her

  41. Kris

    but of course that is an indication for his/her "crime" and thus the authorities can further press charges

  42. Ge0rG

    > if your priest runs your XMPP server, Now *that* explains the IBR spam haven that was running on freie-baptisten.de a while ago!

  43. Kris

    but without your coperation it might be difficult to proof anything

  44. Kris

    but without your cooperation it might be difficult to proof anything

  45. ernst.on.tour

    Sorry for struddel: Auskunftsverweigungsrecht gilt mW nur vor Gericht als Zeuge, nicht bei der Datenerhebung zur Untersuchung.

  46. Kris

    "Es gilt sowohl für die Zeugenvernehmung vor Gericht, als auch für das gesamte Ermittlungsverfahren, also die Vernehmung durch die Polizei, die Staatsanwaltschaft oder den Ermittlungsrichter."

  47. Kris

    sorry for the german text

  48. Kris

    but the source I am looking at says it covers any kind of questioning by authorities

  49. ernst.on.tour

    Okay, nice to know

  50. Kris

    what I wonder about this new german law is, from what size on do you count as a "large" social media provider

  51. Kris

    because apparently that makes a difference if you have to proactively share data with authorities now

  52. kahlb

    In my opinion, Zeugnisverweigerungsrecht (§52StPO) applies to the whole trial. The idea of §52 is to keep the loalty and integrity of the family untouched, which refers to Art. 6I Grundgesetz. I'm pretty sure, one can't force you to actively contribute to a trial that is directed against a person that meets the requirements stated in §52I StPO. In such a case, I'd always refer to Zeugnisverweigerungsrecht. The next step for authorities would be a judical decision, where this case would be proved by a judge. That applies to german law only and I'm no lawyer, so consider this as an opinion only.

  53. ernst.on.tour

    "Large" was defined in the "old" NetzDG If you have more than 100k users or be longer than 2 years active. The "you will have to earn money withit" is regardless, because each ad may bring you money. Each "Dackelzüchterverein" could be hitten, but automatic sharing will be only for the real big one. The erase-duty within 1 hour will be the second step after first step 4 hours.

  54. Kris

    yeah that will be a bigger issue for sure. thanks for clarifing the "large" part.

  55. Licaon_Kter

    https://metalhead.club/@thomas/106035535105750216 any takers

  56. Licaon_Kter

    https://metalhead.club/@thomas/106035535105750216 any takers?

  57. winisreallybored


  58. rob

    Licaon_Kter: I would but don't know what I would do with it

  59. rob

    Host accounts for other people on my server I guess

  60. rob

    It would be great for a statistical site about known networks etc

  61. rob

    Servers, clients, wiki/how-to stuff

  62. menel

    https://search.jabber.network already exists and has a better name.

  63. rob