XMPP Service Operators - 2021-04-09


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  2. thndrbvr > rob wrote: > I think if some government wanted data off my server I'd just burn it 😊 I'm pretty sure that's considered tampering with evidence and illegal. Plus, they'd argue that since you did that then you must have something to hide which is coincidentally whatever they're trying to get you on.
  3. raghavgururajan Howdy!
  4. raghavgururajan I sent this email to IETF.
  5. raghavgururajan Why IETF should keep XMPP as IM standard, instead of Matrix? (https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/tools-discuss/Cj7n-7HwsN8xBzXCjD1pjD1j9Cg/)
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  10. thndrbvr Why not both?
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  17. raghavgururajan Two different standards for same application? conflicts, confustion, duplicate efforts, etc ..
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  21. moparisthebest > Matrix seems to be started because of ignorance. Bahahahahaha raghavgururajan I almost spit out my drink, +1
  22. raghavgururajan xD
  23. moparisthebest Probably more greed for that sweet sweet investor money instead to be honest
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  39. rob I'll have a look tom, better now than when I have double digit terabytes on it
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  41. rob raghavgururajan: good message. Side note, how can I subscribe to this list?
  42. tom The IETF was considering making matrix a standard?
  43. tom Instead of XMPP
  44. tom Have they been smokin too much gonja?
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  47. moparisthebest I think using matrix for ietf communication?
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  78. tom Oh
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  83. raghavgururajan rob: https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/tools-discuss
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  94. rob Thank you
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  101. tom » ob> I'll have a look tom, better now than when I have double digit terabytes on it yeah. But also, if you use ZFS and have enough free space in your zpool, you can encrypt an already existing dataset by snapshotting it and sending it to a decentent of an encrypted dataset
  102. tom Or copying the files over to a new encrypted dataset
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  104. tom Destroying the old dataset, and renaming the new one in place of the old one
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  106. moparisthebest With a btrfs array you can just replace an unencrypted device with an encrypted one one at a time
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  111. tom You have to do the whole device?
  112. tom Also
  113. tom What is the point of having an encrypted and unencrypted device in the same system
  114. tom Or do you mean your replacing the underlying block device members
  115. moparisthebest Btrfs doesn't have built in encryption, so you either do block level under it or file level on top
  116. tom Oh
  117. moparisthebest Yes, replacing them all until they are all encrypted
  118. tom You can use LUKS or Geli with ZFS too, but you don't need to because zfs encrypted datasets exist
  119. tom Be careful not to encrypt your boot disk
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  187. ernst.on.tour Kris: https://www.heise.de/news/Gesetzespaket-gegen-Hass-und-zur-Passwortherausgabe-tritt-in-Kraft-6004554.html
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  327. Kris Hmm, I don't see anything in that link that would impact your "Auskunftsverweigerungsrecht"
  328. Kris ernst.on.tour
  329. Kris and according to the source I am looking right now, it covers your life-partner and anyone up to 3rd grade directly related, so basically your full extended family
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  333. Kris also funny: if your priest runs your XMPP server, this also falls under special protection in Germany. Maybe time to start that Spaghetti Monster idea again 😉
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  335. Kris (this actually includes anyne working with your priest, so basically that might be an interesting legal loop-hole for server operators)
  336. Kris but IANAL of course 😉
  337. ernst.on.tour If I understand the law the right way, I have to offer every information (incl. passwords) to the gov, regardless if my brother or a friend is written hatespeech. The person isn't known by me, because he only use a pseudo not his clearname.
  338. Kris My understanding is that if you know it is your direct relative you can refuse implicating him/her
  339. Kris but of course that is an indication for his/her "crime" and thus the authorities can further press charges
  340. Ge0rG > if your priest runs your XMPP server, Now *that* explains the IBR spam haven that was running on freie-baptisten.de a while ago!
  341. Kris but without your coperation it might be difficult to proof anything
  342. Kris but without your cooperation it might be difficult to proof anything
  343. ernst.on.tour Sorry for struddel: Auskunftsverweigungsrecht gilt mW nur vor Gericht als Zeuge, nicht bei der Datenerhebung zur Untersuchung.
  344. Kris "Es gilt sowohl für die Zeugenvernehmung vor Gericht, als auch für das gesamte Ermittlungsverfahren, also die Vernehmung durch die Polizei, die Staatsanwaltschaft oder den Ermittlungsrichter."
  345. Kris sorry for the german text
  346. Kris but the source I am looking at says it covers any kind of questioning by authorities
  347. ernst.on.tour Okay, nice to know
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  349. Kris what I wonder about this new german law is, from what size on do you count as a "large" social media provider
  350. Kris because apparently that makes a difference if you have to proactively share data with authorities now
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  370. kahlb In my opinion, Zeugnisverweigerungsrecht (§52StPO) applies to the whole trial. The idea of §52 is to keep the loalty and integrity of the family untouched, which refers to Art. 6I Grundgesetz. I'm pretty sure, one can't force you to actively contribute to a trial that is directed against a person that meets the requirements stated in §52I StPO. In such a case, I'd always refer to Zeugnisverweigerungsrecht. The next step for authorities would be a judical decision, where this case would be proved by a judge. That applies to german law only and I'm no lawyer, so consider this as an opinion only.
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  373. ernst.on.tour "Large" was defined in the "old" NetzDG If you have more than 100k users or be longer than 2 years active. The "you will have to earn money withit" is regardless, because each ad may bring you money. Each "Dackelzüchterverein" could be hitten, but automatic sharing will be only for the real big one. The erase-duty within 1 hour will be the second step after first step 4 hours.
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  391. Kris yeah that will be a bigger issue for sure. thanks for clarifing the "large" part.
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  800. Licaon_Kter https://metalhead.club/@thomas/106035535105750216 any takers
  801. Licaon_Kter https://metalhead.club/@thomas/106035535105750216 any takers?
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  808. winisreallybored hi
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  811. rob Licaon_Kter: I would but don't know what I would do with it
  812. rob Host accounts for other people on my server I guess
  813. rob It would be great for a statistical site about known networks etc
  814. rob Servers, clients, wiki/how-to stuff
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  827. menel https://search.jabber.network already exists and has a better name.
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  830. rob True
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