jonas’Misha, FWIW, I need turn on my mobile operator.
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MishaIf the technical support of your operator is qualified, you can ask him about it;)
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jonas’Misha, last time I checked they were doing carrier grade NAT and no IPv6...
jonas’I have no hope.
jonas’and setting up TURN + STUN is not much effort compared to only STUN. only STUN is already an abuse target, TURN doesn’t make this much worse (if you use auth that is)
Mishajonas’: I want only Peer-to-Peer
jonas’sorry for your loss
Mishaif I or my users have problems with voice transmission, I will turn on TURN
jonas’if they tell you and not put it off as "XMPP is crap"
jonas’if they tell you and not put it off as "XMPP is crap, let’s use whatsapp"
MishaWhy XMPP is crap?
MishaIt's BEST messages platform! WhatsApp is spying shit!
Licaon_Kter> If the technical support of your operator is qualified, you can ask him about it;)
Who ever wanted to do that anyway? Did you? No, and certainly no other people.
> Why XMPP is crap?
Because you as the admin disable a feature...
Misha> Who ever wanted to do that anyway? Did you? No, and certainly no other people.
> Because you as the admin disable a feature...
Because I want only P2P
WiktorNot having TURN is annoying because calls would work in some cases but not in others in seemingly random manner (eg mobile connections) and that's a poor UX.
MishaIn megafon and tele2 its works but in BeeLine it isnt work
jonas’Misha, that’s fine if *you* only want that, but making that decision for your users is ... not nice.
jonas’because they probably don’t care
MishaOK, I want P2P preffered
MishaAns if p2p isbt workk, then I want TURN
Licaon_Kter> OK, I want P2P prefferedc
> Ans if p2p isbt workk, then I want TURN
And it works just like that
Licaon_KterSetup TURN then
Licaon_KterYes...TURN is used if STUN doesn't yield good IPs
Read help.conversations.im iirc
MishaI will check tgis on static IP
jonas’yes, TURN is not preferred by ICE, because it’s stupid to do so when you can have a direct connection
jonas’that’s why testing TURN is hard ;)
jonas’you need to find a netwrok which is broken enough
jonas’despite my service having a TURN server, when I do a call between Dino and Conversations when my phone and laptop are on the same wifi, they’ll not even go via the internet.
jonas’you can check out the ICE priorities yourself https://gist.github.com/iNPUTmice/a28c438d9bbf3f4a3d4c663ffaa224d9#testing-without-conversations
tomI'm not sure my server even properly supports turn
tomIt has an option
tomTo specify a turn server manually or 'don't use'
tomAnd enter turn credentials
tomBut my turn server isn't using credientials it's using tokens generated by the xmpp server
tomI have no idea if turn actually works in psi+
Wiktortom, to get technical the token makes it possible to generate time-based credentials, so if one was patient enough they could get the credentials using XML console in Psi+ and input it there hehe, but of course this is annoying 🙂
tomI'm not doing that, but I appreciate the explanation
Wiktorthis is just some coding to be done by Psi+ devs to do iq to get the credentials before the call
WiktorNot a Rocket Science (tm)
tomIt's a bit of a dragon that can only be tamed by it's creator