XMPP Service Operators - 2021-04-16


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  159. Misha tom: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Network_address_translation
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  162. jonas’ Misha, FWIW, I need turn on my mobile operator.
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  165. Misha If the technical support of your operator is qualified, you can ask him about it;)
  166. Misha jonas’:
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  168. jonas’ Misha, last time I checked they were doing carrier grade NAT and no IPv6...
  169. jonas’ I have no hope.
  170. jonas’ and setting up TURN + STUN is not much effort compared to only STUN. only STUN is already an abuse target, TURN doesn’t make this much worse (if you use auth that is)
  171. Misha jonas’: I want only Peer-to-Peer
  172. jonas’ sorry for your loss
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  174. Misha if I or my users have problems with voice transmission, I will turn on TURN
  175. jonas’ if they tell you and not put it off as "XMPP is crap"
  176. jonas’ if they tell you and not put it off as "XMPP is crap, let’s use whatsapp"
  177. Misha Why XMPP is crap?
  178. Misha It's BEST messages platform! WhatsApp is spying shit!
  179. Licaon_Kter > If the technical support of your operator is qualified, you can ask him about it;) Who ever wanted to do that anyway? Did you? No, and certainly no other people. > Why XMPP is crap? Because you as the admin disable a feature...
  180. Misha > Who ever wanted to do that anyway? Did you? No, and certainly no other people. > Because you as the admin disable a feature... Because I want only P2P
  181. Misha Voip
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  183. Wiktor Not having TURN is annoying because calls would work in some cases but not in others in seemingly random manner (eg mobile connections) and that's a poor UX.
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  188. Misha In megafon and tele2 its works but in BeeLine it isnt work
  189. jonas’ Misha, that’s fine if *you* only want that, but making that decision for your users is ... not nice.
  190. jonas’ because they probably don’t care
  191. Misha OK, I want P2P preffered
  192. Misha Ans if p2p isbt workk, then I want TURN
  193. Licaon_Kter > OK, I want P2P prefferedc > Ans if p2p isbt workk, then I want TURN And it works just like that
  194. Misha Really?
  195. Licaon_Kter Setup TURN then
  196. Licaon_Kter Yes...TURN is used if STUN doesn't yield good IPs Read help.conversations.im iirc
  197. Misha I will check tgis on static IP ....
  198. jonas’ yes, TURN is not preferred by ICE, because it’s stupid to do so when you can have a direct connection
  199. jonas’ that’s why testing TURN is hard ;)
  200. jonas’ you need to find a netwrok which is broken enough
  201. jonas’ despite my service having a TURN server, when I do a call between Dino and Conversations when my phone and laptop are on the same wifi, they’ll not even go via the internet.
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  213. Misha OK.
  214. jonas’ you can check out the ICE priorities yourself https://gist.github.com/iNPUTmice/a28c438d9bbf3f4a3d4c663ffaa224d9#testing-without-conversations
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  223. tom I'm not sure my server even properly supports turn
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  225. tom It has an option
  226. tom To specify a turn server manually or 'don't use'
  227. tom And enter turn credentials
  228. tom But my turn server isn't using credientials it's using tokens generated by the xmpp server
  229. tom I have no idea if turn actually works in psi+
  230. Wiktor tom, to get technical the token makes it possible to generate time-based credentials, so if one was patient enough they could get the credentials using XML console in Psi+ and input it there hehe, but of course this is annoying 🙂
  231. tom Oh my
  232. tom I'm not doing that, but I appreciate the explanation
  233. Wiktor this is just some coding to be done by Psi+ devs to do iq to get the credentials before the call
  234. Wiktor Not a Rocket Science (tm)
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  244. tom Unfortunately
  245. tom It's a bit of a dragon that can only be tamed by it's creator
  246. tom Or maybe that's just what all C++ code is like
  247. tom I tried to change the http_file_upload logic
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  258. tom it's a bit beyond me
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