XMPP Service Operators - 2021-04-23


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  156. tom If I made a XMPP server with an OpenNIC domain, how many of you would I not be able to communicate with, and of that how many/which of you would refuse to implement/resolve OpenNIC domains?
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  166. Martin I don't know for my server. I didn't knowingly block something related.
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  211. christian tom: try it.
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  230. christian I never heard before of OpenNIC. But it sounds like a funny idea :)) i will take a look.
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  937. tom christian: thanks
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  951. menel The question is, what does Debian and prosody do by default? --> thats what determinates it..
  952. menel Is it depended on my default DNS server?
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  975. tom menel: it's nothing to do with debian or prosody
  976. tom it's a matter of your recursive resolver configuration and perhaps system trust
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  982. Martin Can you give us an example domain?
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  993. moparisthebest you'd have to configure your server to resolve opennic domains, also that's not as easy as it used to be because some formerly opennic TLDs are now gTLDs too right ?
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  997. Martin Sounds like a huge hassle for little gain.
  998. Martin Are this domains widely used?
  999. Martin Are these domains widely used?
  1000. moparisthebest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenNIC#OpenNIC_namespaces
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  1070. Martin Where's Holger? > Server-to-server connection failed: connection refused fu-berlin.de
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  1074. Licaon_Kter Can't contact him because...lol
  1075. Martin Maybe he does digital detox and switched off the whole university server. 😂
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  1080. jonas’ :)
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  1082. Martin I need to tell him about o.j.n 🙃
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  1089. menel jabber.fu-berlin.de is online
  1090. menel (For me)
  1091. Martin 🎉
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  1096. Holger Heh half my roster is asking. Don't think I've ever seen near as many complaints during a downtime :-)
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  1098. Holger Moved to a new file system. More room for catpics! (I don't ever expire them on that server.)
  1099. moparisthebest built-in alerting, nice
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  1101. menel Everyone relies on you :-D
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  1106. Holger It's Friday afternoon, everyone is bored.
  1107. Licaon_Kter Holger: aren't you breaking the _no deploys on friday_ rule?
  1108. menel Then you have all the weekend time to fix everything again 😁
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  1112. rob Ya Friday is the best time
  1113. rob Unless it's work, then Monday
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  1116. menel I always do my stuff on Saturday morning. So if it breaks I have time to fix it.. Because its not work but some teachers at school rely on it nevertheless to a point ..
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  1148. Martin Holger: You don't expire uploads? OMG, how much storage did you accumulate with all your students sharing catpics?
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  1156. mjk Catpics are sacred! Once copied, they shalt not be smitten
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  1168. octagon sudo duperemove -hdr /var/lib/ejabberd/upload
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  1172. Wiktor octagon: it'd be cool if the http upload spec indicated a way for the server to return get url *after* file upload. Thus one could deduplicate files (via hashes) at upload time :)
  1173. moparisthebest Wiktor: different URLs don't imply not deduplicated
  1174. moparisthebest But, fair :)
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  1177. Wiktor Yeah, one could symlink to the original file after upload or sth like that :)
  1178. Martin Server could have a mapping and serve the very same file for different URLs I guess.
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  1180. Martin Symlinking sounds ugly.
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  1182. mjk Hardlinking!!1
  1183. mjk But yes, identifying files by an SHA is more elegant
  1184. moparisthebest symlink, hardlink, filesystem (btrfs/zfs/?) level de-duplication, the possibilities are endless
  1185. mjk (Until sha du jour is broken in a way MD5 is)
  1186. Martin Sending the hash first and don't upload the file if it already exists would also be nice but maybe overengineered.
  1187. octagon Martin, that would allow users to enumerate existing files
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  1190. Martin Hmm, what would you gain from knowing this file is already on the server?
  1191. mjk Martin: you could report it to the authorities!
  1192. xorman using IPFS for storage is a mixture of all these things
  1193. Martin So the authorities will know you also have 'illegal file'.
  1194. ben dedup by sha hash would be super useful imo
  1195. mjk Martin: right :D
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  1197. octagon just use btrfs, compress-force for all plaintext and executables, duperemove on cron/systemd timer for everything else
  1198. ben is it possible to convert ext4 to btrfs in-place?
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  1200. mjk Martin: seriously though, it makes it easy for copyrats to rummage through your server in search of unauthorised copies
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  1202. moparisthebest ben, yes, but I haven't tried it https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Btrfs#Ext3/4_to_Btrfs_conversion
  1203. moparisthebest I use btrfs on everything though
  1204. Martin > Martin: seriously though, it makes it easy for copyrats to rummage through your server in search of unauthorised copies I don't give them an account. 🙂
  1205. ben interesting
  1206. octagon do *not* attempt ext-to-btrfs, it has been broken for years, it will immediately and irrevocable corrupt your partition
  1207. ben thanks for the head's up
  1208. ben i've not had issues with ext4
  1209. Martin I'm not brave enough for anything else than ext4. Btrfs already annoyed me on my Jolla.
  1210. octagon btrfs is well worth it
  1211. moparisthebest I don't see such a warning here https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Conversion_from_Ext3/4_and_ReiserFS
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  1214. octagon moparisthebest, that page hasn't been updated since august 2018
  1215. moparisthebest I've been using btrfs since ~2011, in that time, I had 1 problem with it that caused it to go read-only, had to copy files off to another FS, and ext4 corrupted-beyond-repair for read+write twice
  1216. moparisthebest pretty good ratio :D
  1217. moparisthebest also both those were caused by a shoddy PSU
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  1219. frog octagon: what's the one killer btrfs feature for me with my baby server with a single 2.5" HDD?
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  1221. moparisthebest frog, snapshots+backups with btrfs send/receive
  1222. octagon checksumming, scrubbing, compression, and dedupe
  1223. ben i do daily vm-level backups with proxmox-backup-server
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  1225. ben incremental backups via qemu qcow2
  1226. octagon snapshots aren't backups imo
  1227. menel > do *not* attempt ext-to-btrfs, it has been broken for years, it will immediately and irrevocable corrupt your partition That's wrong. Its just works, I used it years ago. Its very save and stable. Because you it will not even modify your ext4 and the old ext4 will remain a snapshot that you can even revert to
  1228. mjk Martin: > I don't give them an account. 🙂 But the http upload servers are publicly and anonimously accessible, so if there was no randomization or salting in the path, anyone could ask the server "do you have the file with this hash?". And salring is another can if worms
  1229. octagon menel "years ago" I spent an hours stress testing it in a vm on 5.8, it is broken
  1230. mjk Martin: > I don't give them an account. 🙂 But the http upload servers are publicly and anonimously accessible, so if there was no randomization or salting in the path, anyone could ask the server "do you have the file with this hash?". And salting is another can if worms
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  1232. menel I suppose you did something wrong. And snapshot you send somewhere of course are backups
  1233. octagon btrfs snapshot you send someone is a backup, bot ben mentioned qcow2 snapshots, which I don't think you can send
  1234. frog What do you guys use snapshots for? I haven't found a great use for them. My laptop has btrfs, and I make a snap before sysupgrade. I currently use snapraid with a second HDD, which does checksumming and scrubbing. Now compression may be interesting, but what about overhead? Like I said, small servers, dual or quad core armv7 1GHz
  1235. ben you can send them to other proxmox servers and restore them
  1236. menel https://btrfs.wiki.kernel.org/index.php/Conversion_from_Ext3
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  1238. rob My favorite is using btrfs raid and adding new drives, even mismatched sizes. It's great for slow upgrading storage
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  1240. Martin mjk: > Martin: > But the http upload servers are publicly and anonimously accessible, so if there was no randomization or salting in the path, anyone could ask the server "do you have the file with this hash?". And salting is another can if worms No one said the server should tell everybody. While uploading you say 'I'll upload file with hash xyz' and then the server tells you to upload or just gives you the get url if it already exists. No account on that server http-upload says 'forbidden, get lost'.
  1241. octagon menel I won't argue, my experience is that conversion is broken and it is far safer to simply do it manually, and rsync the data to a new partition I strongly recommend anyone have a backup if the want to try the inplace conversion
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  1244. menel Ok, of course I don't know what went on with your test. But its just that this feature is not considered experimental and the web is not full with that it breaks all the time... I would strongly advise that too for important data. So far for me everything worked all the time and I had no issues with btrfs ever. (14TB raid 1) and some single ..
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  1250. mjk Martin: I mean, GETting is anonimous by design, so that any chat participant can see the catpic
  1251. rob > So far for me everything worked all the time and I had no issues with btrfs ever. (14TB raid 1) and some single .. Ya it's been solid
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  1259. Martin > Martin: I mean, GETting is anonimous by design, so that any chat participant can see the catpic Yes, but the hash is not part of the get url so it won't work
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  1287. mjk Yep, I was only pointing out a potential problem _if_ the hash was the whole path
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  1302. Wiktor > do *not* attempt ext-to-btrfs, it has been broken for years, it will immediately and irrevocable corrupt your partition I did that on a laptop 2 years ago and it worked without any issues. 🤷‍♂️
  1303. Licaon_Kter octagon: > I strongly recommend anyone have a backup if the want to try the inplace conversion That should be a given...
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