XMPP Service Operators - 2021-05-19


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  33. rob Bosh and websocket now available
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  40. rob But no authorized domains yet or alt connect info via well known, after dinner 🤓
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  42. tom That's only really needed for things like conversejs
  43. tom Unless, is it possible to specify an i2p or onion address in a alt-connect method?
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  46. rob Not sure, but I wanted to let people use mov.im or whatever if they want.
  47. rob I'll maybe add converse.js on the domain for convenience too
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  52. thndrbvr There's also https://jsxc.org
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  54. rob I think Converse was just easier as it has a module, also supports more features I think
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  56. rob Also mov.im seems to work fine without cors so maybe it doesn't require bosh or websockets
  57. rob Brb
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  60. rob Nice, works well. Oh I have to allow all cors domains for the C compliance thing to pass
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  85. tom Don't do that
  86. tom Cors is a good security protection
  87. tom Just allow the domain exception you need
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  90. tom Oh, but if you want it completely open, i guess
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  96. rob I don't really, I was thinking just a few public web clients. I just didn't realize the compliance suite wants it wide open
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  140. moparisthebest 24ish hours until I release the tool that can crash prosody's that haven't mitigated https://prosody.im/security/advisory_20210512/ if you haven't done so, please do it now
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  148. tom moparisthebest: i don't think much will happen
  149. tom The 1 billion laughs attack has been around for quite a while
  150. tom As a generic cve
  151. tom Not one specificly tied to xmpp, but xml
  152. moparisthebest that one doesn't work in XMPP at all, or shouldn't anyway
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  171. qrpnxz rob, that movim thing is pretty cool! thx for mentioning it
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  174. Licaon_Kter rob: movim, converse, jsxc....why let your users give to random sites their creds to your host? Host your own...
  175. Licaon_Kter MattJ: is docker autoupdating like prosody from distro repos?
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  202. arne > Licaon_Kter schrieb: > Host your own... Yes, that's really recommended when running an own xmpp server
  203. arne > Licaon_Kter schrieb: > Host your own... Yes, that's really recommended, especially when running an own xmpp server
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  301. MattJ moparisthebest, historically a bunch of servers were susceptible to billion laughs :)
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  303. qrpnxz should be impossible with the new standard
  304. qrpnxz thankfully
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  311. MattJ Licaon_Kter, no, Snikket doesn't auto-update, but updating is easy and it has update notifications
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  702. rob > rob: movim, converse, jsxc....why let your users give to random sites their creds to your host? > Host your own... True, so far it's just self hosted Converse
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  921. rob How do you get a perfect cipher score on xmpp.net? And do I need to care?
  922. jonas’ no idea, no
  923. jonas’ it’s old
  924. rob Haha
  925. rob Ok
  926. rob I just like everything full, all the green checks or dots or bars etc
  927. arne though still you should get 100 for all ?
  928. jonas’ everyone does
  929. rob > though still you should get 100 for all ? No I've never had greater than 90 for cipher
  930. rob > everyone does It's all just a game
  931. arne mh I have 100 since very long actually
  932. rob Give me achievements lol
  933. rob Which server?
  934. arne or always. But I sat up the ciphers, etc. myself
  935. arne prosody
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  939. arne > rob schrieb: > Give me achievements lol > Which server? you?
  940. Araucaria 🏅
  941. arne 😅
  942. jonas’ rob, you get a 💯 if you don’t blindly follow every check list / achievement score :)
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  946. arne xmpp is pretty old I think
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  949. arne xmpp.net is pretty old I think
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  954. Araucaria Wasn't xmpp.net hijacked somewhere along the line?
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  957. Araucaria Or was that another xmpp checker site?
  958. jonas’ I don’t know of any hijacking
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  962. MattJ xmpp.net wasn't, though it was down for a while due to a server failure
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  965. arne are there any new tests?
  966. jonas’ I have something in the pipeline, but also lots of other stuff :)
  967. arne :D
  968. rob > 🏅 Thank you, thank you. First I want to thank my dog, for always supporting me
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  985. Martin > are there any new tests? cryptcheck.fr
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  997. Araucaria That server has its time wrong
  998. Araucaria 2 years off?
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  1057. Menel You just don't get 100 if you allow less then aes256.. But its just CPU waste and aes128 is totally ok. I don't desire 100%
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  1067. rob > cryptcheck.fr I got an E
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  1082. Menel That one doesn't like DH, even if its a very strong one, I don't know of any security issue with that
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  1146. rob Ah well, my server works so w/e 🤓
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  1523. thndrbvr IRC but seems important. Freenode being taken over, volunteer staff moving & forming Libera.Chat (why it isn't XMPP this time I'm not sure.) https://lwn.net/Articles/856543/
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  1529. Sam It's supposed to be a straight up move. Users should be able to just change a server name in their config and keep using it exactly like they were, it wouldn't make much sense to learn to setup a whole new thing like XMPP.
  1530. MattJ Switching to IRC at the same time as a domain change would simply reduce the migrating channel count
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  1533. Sam What Matt said.
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  1540. thndrbvr Eh, true. Maybe they should just set up bridges.
  1541. MattJ Re. XMPP alternatives, https://cheogram.com/freedomware-muc/ is an offer that deserves some publicity
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  1572. Sam oh cool, they really don't advertise well because even as a user I keep finding new cool projects they maintain
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  1581. moparisthebest the rule is, if it's something cool you might want, cheogram probably hosts it
  1582. Ge0rG A MUC hosted free of charge. This is revolutionary!
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  1589. moparisthebest at your own domain, what else offers that ?
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  1593. Ge0rG ah yeah, that's a good point
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  1602. Sam Yah, I might take them up on that if they can provide a way to delegate from an apex domain… the Mellium server is not great.
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  1605. rob With a bridge too
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  1612. moparisthebest they do, it's CNAME
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  1620. Sam cname can't be set on an apex domain
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  1634. moparisthebest > First, create the subdomain you will use (e.g. conference.myproject.tld) and set a CNAME to freedomware-muc.cheogram.com (your chatrooms will have addresses like discuss@conference.myproject.tld).
  1635. moparisthebest oh, you said apex domain.... sorry I missed that part
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  1638. [czar] What are apex domains?
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  1640. moparisthebest well a SRV would work but they can't get a valid cert then...
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  1644. moparisthebest [czar], ie bob.com is an apex domain while something.bob.com is not
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  1647. [czar] Ah thanks
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  1675. Frank Aplex is 28 points in Scrabble btw.
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