XMPP Service Operators - 2021-05-21

Can someone point me in a direction to log data using xmpp

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what do you mean?

I use xoa for my hypervisor

and it has a xmpp plugin

and I Want to log data over it

????

Not sure, did you read the docs for it?

I'm assuming it would need an account, then you configure it to send you alerts?

https://xen-orchestra.com/docs/backup_reports.html#email

Is that what you mean? Jake

authbot, MattJ, ralphm: can we get a muc icon?

If someone contributes one, sure :)

Not something I have time for right now

https://xmpp.xa0.uk:5281/upload/zhQnWLdzCcXyI-Y-/grWdxbeOR6eBW7LG157NWg.png

Hows that :p

That's what the xsf channel uses which would be confusing

Looks like more XSF & protocol oriented

https://xmpp.xa0.uk:5281/upload/ybn9DSB9Kiu6t6fD/p1q4N2IlQoquk3q-zKDtFg.png

This? Lol

:-) trademark?

Aw

https://xmpp.xa0.uk:5281/upload/QVR8XgiHFUTB54xY/mhHXAB6QRWOaWQdkDJL1Ug.jpg

Surely?

Perfect

Niiiice

MattJ: ralphm: there ya go ✏

no way that's going to work in a tiny icon :) you won't even be able to tell what it is at icon size

Sorry I was kidding

I honestly wasn't sure :)

I'm trying to think of a good idea though ✏

I made one, but it probably isn't appropriate

But now I'm intrigued

Oh lol

Araucaria: go go go

https://xmpp.xa0.uk:5281/upload/OnieHLdIrVGcMb_y/WbBmYr21TQOtoQJPFrimYg.png

This?

Mine was a picture of soldiers with the XMPP logo for faces

.. lol

lol

qy, that's cool. You make that?

Heck no, nicked it off some svg

That kind of idea is what I was thinking though, something webby and interconnected

Just use that then

Its just a button icon

As long as it's free to use I don't see why not

Not that I'm any decision maker here 🤓

That would be MattJ and ralphm 👀

We good guys?

what is the license of that file?

also how does that symbol reflect/correlate with xmpp?

Not licenced, was a random svg. And, its network-y :p

no license means you can't use it

meh, mo one will care about an icon on a chat

I care

you don't have legal standing

💁

Ooh nice

I'll root around for the official XMPP SVG and add sone vector objects to differentiate it, maybe, and see what ya think.

An icon

if it doesn't have a license, can't it get a license added to it?

Very nice

Corona service ops? Oh wa-

whoa we have avatar!

Blessed day

Looks good also it would be nice to see a link to operators although I don't know how to do that. Adding a wrench and skrewdriver?

Sweet avatar!

Yes, great idea! Off you go: https://matthewwild.co.uk/uploads/xmpp-network-logo.svg :)

looks unhappy ;)

Only in IPv6 though.

MattJ: Sorry hockey world cup started. Maybe I play with it tomorrow.

TIL there's a hockey world cup, but of course there is

Lol

Stanley cup?

Happy to take any amendments to the avatar, but not going to spend more time on it than I just did

MattJ: looks good, matt!

MattJ: To be clear: icehockey, not field hockey. 🙂

it's certainly an improvement to [#] with a random color, good job :)

Anhydrous: > Stanley cup? Nope, iihf world cup. Not as exciting as Olympics as it is yearly, but still… Gotta watch some nice hockey.

MattJ, here is a cleaned-up version that is about 50% of the size of the original, and lower than the 10 KiB limit even when base64’d:

https://linkmauve.fr/files/xmpp-network-logo.svg

Martin: TIL

Link Mauve, the room is using a PNG, but thanks ;)

Ah.

If someone edits it, they can base it off your version

Anhydrous: You're profile pic looks like you're more into КХЛ.

Martin: that is incidental. It is nicholas cage in traditional kazakh garb with a thousand yard stare. I am not kazakh, but thought it looked so cool.

aw, this icon being used is super nice.

good stuff!

:)

Nice MUC avatar 👍

Anhydrous: I haven't seen anyone wearing this outfit when I was in Kazakhstan. 🙁

Kazakhstan is modern

Astana is space age

<3 kazakhstan

Link Mauve, great svg !!! Congrats ..

I like

Nice logo!

It shows a fully connected mesh but xmpp is a partially connected mesh right?

Hi tom, we missed you :)

Hi

I wasn't gone that long was I?

No idea, you weren't around earlier the one time I looked

Glad to be missed =3

I wanted to ask if you ever got federation working over I2P, iirc it was something you had brought up a while back

Alle the operators are connected in this room sonit fits.. Its just a room avatar... ✏

Oh, well

That required making a custom module

I didn't install it myself but i know the person who did

I didn't really want to install a module that wasn't part of community-modules and managed separately, so i stuck with mod_onions

The problem is that mod_darknet and mod_onion conflicts

One of my friends decided to finally merge the two and clean it up, but i don't remember their git repo at this time

Might it be this one? https://github.com/majestrate/mod_darknet

No that's the i2p-only one

Why i2p over Tor?

Tor is centralized

Tor doesn't support udp

When people attack the tor central servers, everybody has downtime

The downside is that the latency and bandwidth *can* be worse

Sometimes

That's because i2p is decentralized on random people's computers

Rather than just big professionally hosted cloud servers

For xmpp maybe that doesn't matter so much

(owned by the NSA 😉 )

It's kind of annoying on interactive web usuage

But that's also a privacy plus that makes timing correlation attacks and global adversary attacks much harder

Oh

And i2p does have a sense of transient 'tunnel id'

Which is helpful for metigating ddos attacks or temporarily blocking abusers without privacy implications

Basically, you can tell originators apart for a short period and for a local-loopback tunnel the different originators come over to your daemons as 127.0.0.N

Or ipv6

An actually use for the rest of the 127.0.0 block

I might have a play with it some time, it interests me a little more than tor

Basically had someone asking for something like federation with hidden services, and just wondered about what options there were (currently and/or with a bit of work)

I did onion only xmpp a few years back, but every bit of it was leaky

It works

The tor option is more mature, but both work and are relatively simple

> i2p over Tor

this seems overkill

Honestly I really should get both tor and i2p working over the same time

I've just been busy with other things

qy: I meant what are the benefits of using i2p instead of tor

ohhhh

jesus

good

That's not what we are talking about qy

I'm talking about federating with tor-only, i2p-only, and tor/i2p mapped xmpp servers at the same time

MattJ: the tor route IS something i've had to do with some nodes in other countries who deal with internet censorship

Setup a tor-map so that the s2s connection is routed over tor bypassing the country's censors

https://gist.github.com/dllud/a46d4a555e31dfeff6ad41dcf20729ac Is there any better map then that one available?

Araucaria: I would not use some rando's published list

Also

Those are using the older deprecated and less secure onionv2

Contact operators directly and ask them for their onions, verify their jid via https://xmpp.org/extensions/attic/xep-0157-1.1.1.html

To confirm your actually speaking to the operator

It would be nice if there was a way to publish onions and b32.i2ps via alt-connection-methods or dns or something

Put the onion in disco?

I didn't even realize those were all v2. Shame, v3 has been around for so long already.

How would I go about debugging why a/v calls aren't working on my ejabberd server? 🤔️

There was a gist from inputmice that detailed it

https://gist.github.com/iNPUTmice/a28c438d9bbf3f4a3d4c663ffaa224d9

Heh that took all of like two minutes

thanks